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Tuesday, October 29, 2013

The Season of Harvest of Genealogical data

Good to see you in this season of great joy in  ... ahh ... well .... harvesting.... Genealogical data.
The fall is the season of harvest and it seems to be what I am doing.
One of the best things I ever did as I began to harvest information about our Meyer family tree was to join the Hannover mailing list through roots web. There are many one can join and I browsed quite a few too. And asked my silly beginner questions. Without having asked them; How would I  have learned. They were important ones for my skill building.

I'll show you what I mean:
In 2003 I asked about the place Radenbeck in Germany and Hans Peter Albers responded and helped, because we were not to be too wordy on the list he also sent emails. This is the meat of his response. I've not forgotten this.
Radenbeck is that one you reach by 21401 Thomasburg, OT Radenbeck
In an elderly peace of family researching work: Borstelmann, Heinrich: Familien-kunde des alten Amtes Lüne, Lüneburg 1935,I found in this Radenbeck the following mentioning of inhabitants, which theauthor took from tax-lists and other official documents. So you can´t expectdates of birth, death and marriages, but you get hints for further research.Meyer, Meier, Meyger mentioned for 21401 Radenbeck with date of mentioning:
1450: de Meyger, H. ( the last "H." stands for Höfner)1776: Jürgen Meyer1785: Jürgen Hinr.,Hh.;ehem. Jacob Sommer ("Hh." means Halbhöfner and the added
"ehem. Jacob Sommer" says, that he took over a half, means a small one, farm from this Jacob Sommer1791 und 1795: Jürgen Chr., Krüger (Krüger means he had and Inn, was allowed to sell drinks, engage musicians, etc., in short words, he hold the place for feasts)
As you see, up to know there is yet no name: Heinrich Christoph Meyer. That is
not astonishing, if he was not the eldest one, or that one who overtook the place
of his father. I think, there must be good chance, to find the date of birth of
your Heinrich Christoph Meyer in the Church Book of Thomasburg (Evangelische
Kirchengemeinde, 21401 Thomasburg.

So You see even in 1450 there were Meyer and Sommer there. Somewhere I saw the name Luhmann too with the name Sommer. Somehow I think our M & M in fairmont Minnesota who told me many names and places must have seen that book of Borstelmann, and maybe Dr. Raven. that hold clues to our ancestors. I still want one of those books. Who knows what more clues it holds.

Later I started a blog a\to hold our information all together.  I remember in the year of 2008 I said I had taken Herr Albers advice and wrote to the Thomasburg church. I also had written to the deacon of Bleckede or Neetze. The deacon had responded that he doubted I would get a response. And I never did. I should have wrote again, but I didn't. Now it never hurts to write to the pastors online of these churches for advice and then follow it. I know the Nahrendorf church set up a private email name for me, which I admit I forgot cause I lost that email account that I had that held those letters.

So since 2008 until now in 2013 and even 2003 its taken me eight years to get some information.  I must say though if you have the money to invest in this valuable undertaking it would be a good way to go. Write to the church and or hire someone to go to the hannover archives. Then send them a donation and even include some working money for the effort.  Even better go yourself. You'll love yourself for going.

The other info:
a second time, same subject Meyer von Radenbeck,
dear gutt morgen,
found a newer work, revisiting almost the same documents as the author Borstel-
mann respecting by this the meantime progress in historical science:
Horst-Dieter Freiherr von Enzberg/Dietmar Gehrke: Aus der Vergangenheit der
Dörfer der Samtgemeinde Ostheide. Von den Anfängen bis in das 19.Jahrhundert,
Samtgemeinde Ostheide (Hrsg.),Barendorf 2001
There I found Meyer in Radenbeck:
1723: Dieterich Meyer, : ein Köthner, nach Scharnebeck abgabenpflichtig
1756 und 1760 Meyer : this is a comparision before and during, respectivlely
after the "Siebenjähriger Krieg", which was von 1756 to
1763, and says, this Meyer had before, 1 male worker(son
or farm hand), 1 female farmworker, 2 horses, 6 oxes and
20 acre land, afterwards it remained 1 female worker, 2
horses, 6 oxes , and 20 acre land. that means there were
2 workers lost. The other people lost in most cases more
than this Meyer.
1825: Heinrich Dieterich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 231 Morgen Land
Jürgen Hinrich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 184 Morgen Land
Claus Jürgen Meyer, Anbauer, 13 Morgen Land
That`s, wath i can tell you in the moment,
best wishes Hans Peter Albers


For further reading I suggest:
Neetze chronicle
http://www.meyer-grlafferde.homepage.t-online.de/r1914.htm
The gedbas of owners of surnames who lived Radenbeck
Also suggest Barendorf chronicles or chronik.

Other families  trees with Meyer or others  in Radenbeck:
Kinderkandt in Texas
Maleyka
Martha Hicks
Townstedt - Texas
Thiele- Germany Ventschau

Historical "Orts familienkunde" Book Facts Were Memorable


Long ago I found out this detail  below in  some Historical books about Radenbeck hof owners and  Köthners.  After  I learned this  back then, I forever  wondered if it was our Meyer family there  or if our Heinrich Christoph Meyer  family  at some point moved there from somewhere else..

..1723: Dieterich Meyer, : ein Köthner, nach Scharnebeck abgabenpflichtig
1756 und 1760 Meyer    : this is a comparision before and during, respectivlely 
                         after the "Siebenjähriger Krieg", which was von 1756 to 
                         1763, and says, this Meyer had before, 1 male worker(son 
                         or farm hand), 1 female farmworker, 2 horses, 6 oxes and 
                         20 acre land, afterwards it remained 1 female worker, 2 
                         horses, 6 oxes , and 20 acre land. that means there were 
                         2 workers lost. The other people lost in most cases more 
                         than this Meyer.
1825: Heinrich Dieterich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 231 Morgen Land
      Jürgen Hinrich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 184 Morgen Land
      Claus Jürgen Meyer, Anbauer, 13 Morgen Land

It  Google Translates to this:
...1723: Dieterich Meyer : a Köthner , after Scharnebeck dutiable
1756 and 1760 Meyer: this is a comparision before and during , respectivlely
                         after the " Seven Years War " , Which was from 1756 to
                         1763 , and says , Meyer had this before , one male worker ( but
                         or farmhand ), 1 female farm worker , 2 horses , and oxes 6
                         20 acre land, afterwards it Remained one female worker , 2
                         horses , oxes 6 , and 20 acre country . Means did therewere
                         2 workers lost . The other people lost in most cases more
                         Meyer than this .
1825 : Henry Dieterich Meyer, Halbhöfner , 231 acres of land
      Jürgen Hinrich Meyer, Halbhöfner , 184 acres of land
      Claus Jürgen Meyer, Anbauer , 13 acres of land

Genealogy Document of Dietrich Meyer the Father of Johann Jürgen Meyer


Dietrich Meyer's birth must have been around  1645 plus or minus a year.  You do the math. If he died at age 61 years old and buried in 1706 then that subtracts to 1645.



Johann Jürgen Meyer, * Born  1691. Vater Dietrich Meyer

Johann Jürgen Meyer, * Born  1691. Vater Dietrich Meyer


Dietrich Meyer Genealogy Record of Death

Dietrich Meyer's death
Aus  Radenbeck Jahr- 1706

Dietrich Meyer, 61 years, † 28.03.1706 Radenbeck

A member of The Sommer Family of Radenbeck Joins the Meyer Family History

You may have read the previous blog post about the marriage of Johann Juergen Meyer to Catharine Sommers  from Radenbeck by Thomasburg.





Heiraten mit  Catharine Sommers aus Radenbeck, 13.10.1719


Heiraten mit  Catharine Sommers aus Radenbeck, 13.10.1719


More on the Meyer Family Tree

Help Me Interpret this. 

Meyer church Documents

It seems that the father of  Johann Jürgen Meyer ~ 09.08.1727 Neetze is another Johann Jürgen Meyer * 1691 whose father is a Dieterich Meyer. The bride of this Johan Juergen Meyer  * 1691 is  Catharine Sommers aus Radenbeck.
Marriage 13.10.1719

The Marriage record of the Father Johann Jürgen Meyer mit Anne Margarethe Meyer - Genealogy Marriage record



Now this page facts might bother you as much as it bothers me.The facts was given to me as data   information
of the marriage of the Father Johann  Jürgen Meyer in the year 1737.  The father being Johan Jürgen Meyer of son Hinrich Christoph Meyer or Meier of Radenbeck. The bride is Anne Margarethe Meyer. The problem is  that the year of marriage is said to be 1737.   Remember his birth is shown  to be in the year of 1727.  I'll have to let you know more about this little fact, after I spend a little time on it


Meyer church document


Marrriage of the Father Johann Jürgen Meyer 1737 mit Anne Margarethe Meyer
Marriage of the Father Johann Jürgen Meyer 1737 mit Anne Margarethe Meyer

Monday, October 28, 2013

Baptism of the father Johann Jürgen Meier, father of Hinrich Christoph Meier, Meyer

From now on it could get a little confusing with so many Johan Juergen Meyer names occurring  in the family tree.

Baptism at  Neetze
Johann Jürgen Meyer ~ 09.08.1727 Neetze


Johann Jürgen Meyer ~ 09.08.1727 Neetze
Johann Jürgen Meyer ~ 09.08.1727 Neetze

Please Help me find my errors. Feel free to correct me.

Birth Genealogy Data information about Hinrich Christoph Meyer, Meier


Heinrich Or Hinrich Christoph Meier, Meyer, the father of Johan Jürgen Meyer

Christoph Hinrich Meyer * 13.02.1744 Radenbeck. 
Christoph Hinrich Meyer * 13.02.1744  zu Radenbeck.
Father :  Johann Jürgen Meyer Schäfer in Radenbeck

His birth: 13.Feb.1744 Radenbeck, Thomasburg in what is known now as  Lüneburg stadt in Lower Saxony area of Germany.. It helps to follow a chart like the one shown here. His occupation is Schäfer like his son.


Radenbeck, Thomasburg

Meier, Meyer Family tree of Radenbeck, from church books of Thomasburg


Good day to you family and fellow readers.  I share fantastic news and with great pride the photo of  the document of the baptism of our Johann  Jürgen Meyer from the church of Thomasburg. Our old copy of his birth says he was born August 15th 1772. But now we see he is said to have born on the 14th of August.
 Notice the fantastic sight of his mothers name  Margretha Elisabeth geb. Müllern.  Perhaps it  could be Müller,.  I'll have to check  further on that.

Johan Juergen Meyer Baptism at Thomasburg
Johan Juergen Meyer Meier Baptism at Thomasburg
Getaufte vom Jahr 1772
16ten Aug: 1772
Eltern
5) Hinrich Christoph: Meier Schäfer zu Radenbeck, und dessen Ehefrau Margretha Elisabeth geb. Müllern, haben ein ihren d 14ten dieses geborens Söhnlein  taufen, und es Johann Jürgen nennen laßen.
 Die Gevattern sind gewesen
1) Johan Valentin Meier Schäfer zu Wennekath.
2) Hans Jürgen Meier Dienstknecht zu Radenbek.



Meyer  family  from the Village of Radenbeck bei Thomasburg church 
It is a fantastic sight. It takes me a little time to  get used to it.
Stay tune for more like this. 

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