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Friday, June 27, 2008

AIDA is for search of Auswanderer or Emigration of Your Ancestor .[Auswanderersuche]

If you want to search for your Ancestors emigration, I think this is my most valuable tool to find any information as they leave Hamburg.


http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/


There is another one for Bremen, as well. but I haven't used this other one at all. More on the Bremen one another day.

Fritz Meyer Emigration Found With Aid of AIDA

A very valuable tool in Emigration search is this site often abbreviated to AIDA.

http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de

The link you may use is not the home page. Naturally, it is all in German. It is easy, but difficult to use at the same time. I have had luck with several names.

One day I just happened to find Fritz Meyer or Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer born 1851 at Oldendorf on search site AIDA. I was pretty happy. I translated it as best as I could with my Babelfish translator. Prior to that event, I had received a letter as a result of a letter that I written to Niedersachen in 2001. I had written an inquiry about the family name Seil that I had found in a location that I thought had possibilities. The Person who wrote me was not from the original address. The letter had changed hands a few times. I have no problem with that. It turned out that we had the Luhmann family in common with Gehrke frau and Luhmann. I will speak more of Luhmann family, Gehrke family, and Seil at another time.

Since Mr Soltau had this family in common, I thought I would ask him, if he knew anything further on this information. When it comes to puzzle solving, I believe two heads are better than one. So I wrote him. He came back with this letter of information. He did much more than I had expected of him. I am not complaining about that one bit.! It amazes me how kind people are.

Before you read the letter, I should mention again that Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer * born 1851 Oldendorf in der Goehrde. The Meyer book says Fritz married 1882 at Maquoketa, Iowa. He was found in Iowa census 1870 and 1880. In 1870 at Tete des Mortes, Jackson county in Iowa with name Mier. He was working as a hired man. Most of those of that township with Meyer name had the same spelling. More about them later. Finding his emmigration from Hamburg was an accident. I thought it could have been 1868. I am also trying to now find his passage on Hamburg records. Actual ship and other passages. I have not been entirely successful. But back to the story.

Emmigration document about Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer immigration 1869.
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Subject: Meyer - Luhmann
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:38:37 +0100

Dear Jo Meyer
Some days ago you mentioned a file and asked for the connection "Schwester" and "Mutter". The information of that file is the extract from 8 documents (Nr. 169 - Nr. 177 of the file-volume):

169/170
Letter from Marie Ahrens, written 23. Nov. (1868) in Galena (2 pages). The salutation in the letter is: Lieber Schwager und Schwester (brother-in-law and sister)! Marie Ahrens tells about life in America and reflection of emigration. She thinks, that J. H. F Meyer should come to America and that he will need 100 Reichsthaler (money).

171
A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena. Inside was the letter 169/170.
Address: Parkwärter zu Röthen bei der Göhrde, Königreich Hannover.

172
A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena, Ill. on 7. Jan. (1869). For the letter see 173.
Address: Herrn Parkwärter Meyer, Röthen bei der Göhrde, Amt Dannenberg, Hannover, Germany.

173
Letter from Marie Möllemann, written 8. Jan. (1869). Salutation: Lieber Schwager und Schwester. Marie Möllemann tells about her life in America, she is very pleased. She writes: Let Liese, Marie and Friedrich come. If you like send Anna too, but the other are to young. Her husband wants them to come too. Both want to care for them.

174
Document of the Nahrendorf church about the birth of J. H. F. Meyer in 1851.

175
Heimatschein. J. H. F. Meyer declares, that he wants to emigrate. 28.03.1869, Nahrendorf-seal.

176
The father Jürgen Friedrich Meyer agrees with the emigration of his son and guarantees to give him 100 Reichsthaler.
On the same paper certifies the Gemeindevorstand of Röthen, that Jürgen Friedrich Meyer is able to give 100 Reichsthaler to his son.

177
Military-certificate.

This is the contents of the above documents in short. The documents are written in German language and in Sütterlin-writing.
For usual it is possible to get a digital copy (jpg) of the documents. The fee for that may be 30 Euro. Do you like to order a copy?

In the end of this mail I return to the question in the beginning. In the moment it is not certain for me, who is the sister (name) and who is the mother. Marie Ahrens can be the sister of C. M. Luhmann, if she had married a Mr. Ahrens; but I don't think so.
I think, it is necessary to search for the day of the death from C. M. Luhmann (Meyer) and her husband J. H. F. Meyer. Perhaps C. M. Luhmann (Meyer) died before her husband and he married again (a woman with name Ahrens); in that case Marie Ahrens is the sister of the second wife and J. H. F. Meyer is the brother-in-law of Marie Ahrens. But this are pure ideas, perhaps you have some more information.

Yours sincerely
Herr Soltau





I did have more information.

Later, after contact to Nahrendorf church, I found the mother had died 1856. Not 1855. Little Fritz would have only been five. I would think that the father remarried unless he had daughters to help him raise the children. I know my grandfather never remarried after his wife died. Jurgen Friedrich Meyer [geb 1814) the husband and father died 1879. Jurgen Hch. Wilhelm immigrated 1884. He had plenty of time to deal with inheritance.




Juergen Friedrich Meyer [*geb 1814] mother was Maria Elisabeth Behrens. She had one or two sisters Behrens. One may have married at Leestahl with Schultz. Cath. Dor Behrens and other sister was Margaretha Magdaline Behrens.

Brother in laws to Jurgen Friedrich Meyer
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Luhman
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Schulz - I think wife may have became Ahrens. = Ventschau/Schutschur
Pagel = Ventschau/ Schutschur
Schlaphof did go to Cass county Nebraska, America
Bartels

Johann Juergen Meyer geb 1804 / frau
Johann Hinrich Meyer geb 1817/ frau Raetzman from Weste, Himbergen in Uelzen. She married Lietz also.
I do not think she emmigrated to America. I think Record of death for both is at Himbergen. I must double check all this.

Johann Christoph Luhmann, estate manager in Ventschau married in 1859 widow Anna Dorothea Meier, or Meyer at Ventschau. He died 1873



Sister in law with Fritz Meyer.
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Gemeindevorstand = local council
http://de.thefreedictionary.com/Gemeindevorstand
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Wednesday, June 25, 2008

A Story of my Genealogical Methods - Letter Writing Result

Often,  when I wrote to the church of my german ancestors, I would ask the researcher, if he knew who any descendents of that surname could maybe be in that area. Most all of the researchers I ever had,  did not know. After I had studied the area a bit more, I resorted to this tool. I used the telephone directory of the area. There is more than one site for a phone directory. Here is one link.
www.telefonbuch.de
This is the one I started with and it is the easiest site for me to remember.
It does provide some of the address,  just like it used to be here in the united states,  before cell phone service.

I wrote and sent about five letters to people that I had found in the book. I addressed about twelve! Since I did not send them all, I should continue doing so. Not all letters were answered, either. I should say not all were answered right away. Just last year I received an answer to one letter I wrote in about 2001. I will cover it later, since it concerns the Luhmann family.

Are you keeping track, I am. So that is one Hit with Seil and Luhmann names.
2 points for me.

Letters Received.
So what kind of answer did I get?
I wrote to this E. Meyer in some area by Oldendorf and Nahrendorf. I did not know for sure where Friedrich Meyer would have lived in Oldendorf. I have not been able to check the Morman Lds holding of the census for that area. As far as I knew, both brothers had come to USA.
Who would be left with the Meyer name.
Children of Johann Juergen Meyer. I had not seen the whole Meyer book back then, so I did not know any of the sisters whom had come with Fred. Though I believe, I had heard that three had married and were possibly in united states. My cousin and Ms. Chance clued me into the information about the siblings. At any rate, I figured there were other relatives, who would know of them. So I wrote the letter to this E. Meyer. It took quite awhile for me to receive an answer back.

At the time of this letter arrival, but before it came, I had recently found My grandfathers brothers descendent. She had a tree on line. She also had one at Family tree maker. She was most helpful. So we were able to share this good news. She had added it to her tree online. Later she removed it. [Long story] She offered a translation, which differed from the translation service that I had used. So to this day, I still do not know what the letter exactly says.

In answer to the letter to E. Meyer the son-in-law wrote to me for his mother-in-law. I don't know if the Mother -in- law knew he wrote me? This son-in-law lived in the Uelzen area. I wrote back to answer him and say thanks, but he never wrote again. Maybe his wife found the letter and threw it away. Who knows why. I did have a question, which I will mention shortly, but it went unanswered. In the first letter I had sent full information that I knew at that time. Which was not much. Sisters with no full names or dates of birth.

A copy of my story.
To continue my story, I shall copy the letter I received. No umlauts here. I made everything with even the same bold emphasis as he did. Sorry, no umlauts.
I will give you the translations of it that I have had.
______________________________________
Page 1
Hans Otto K. 0505.2001
An den Zehn Wichen 147

Liebe Frau Jo Meyer,
Von meiner Schwiegermutter, E. Meyer aus Oldendorf a.d.Goehrde, erheit ich lhren Brief vom 19.03.2001.
Da ich mich fuer familiengeschichte interessiere, have ich mich bemueht, einge lhrer Fragen zu klaeren............
Juergen Heinrich Juergen Meyer, geboren 17.September 1819 in Neetzendorf bei Dahlenburg war von Beruf Schaefer, Seine Vater, ebenfalls Schaefer, Johann Juergen Meyer und seine Mutter Maria Elsiabeth geborene Behrens lebten in Neetzendorf.

Falls Sie Naeheres ueber die Familie Meyer in Neetzendorf erfahren wolen, koennte lhnen sicher das
Kirchenbuero der Ev -luth Kirche
Johannisstrasse 8
21368 Dahlenburg
weiterhelfen.

Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer heiratete am 18 Mai 1838 in der St. Lamberti-kirche zu Nahrendorf Margaretha Catharina Luhmann aus Eichdorf. Ueber die Geschichte der familie Luhmann is mir Folgendes behannt:

Die Geschichtes des Hofes Nr. 2 in Eichdorf

Der aelteste nachgewiesene Hauswirt ist Henning Luhmann. Er bewirtschaftete den Hof bis 1663,wo sich sein Sohn Schwiebert mit Anna Brese aus Nahrendorf verheiratete und den Hof uebernahm.
Henning Luhmann starb am 30.juli.1673, seine Frau Helena am 24 April 1679.
______________________________________
[First born son later married at Sammatz*
Second born daughter was in Nahrendorf church book around the year 1712. Maybe because her mother was from there.]
______________________________________



Page two translated by Christi.

Wife Anna died on November 26, 1672. Schwiebert must have married again. When and with whom connot be determined. These are the children from the 2nd marriage:
1673 Son Jurgen
Feb. 8, 1676 Son Claus Jacob, who died May 29, 1755
Feb. 27, 1678 Son Hans Diedrich
Oct. 19, 1681 Son Valentin Johann, who died Feb. 15, 1731
Schwibert Luhmann died on February 16, 1688. His son Jurgen Luhmann inherited the property. He married Clara Margarethe Schultz, who was born in 1636.
Jurgen Luhmann had the following children:
May 3, 1712 Son Christian Friedrich
Jan. 26, 1714 Son Anthon Frantz, who married on Oct. 19, 1747 in Bostelwiebeck.
Jan. 24, 1716 Daughter Dorothea Maria
Sept. 20, 1717 Son Heinrich Jurgen, who married on Oct. 29, 1757 in Leestahl, and lived as a shepherd.
Jan. 2, 1721 Son Johann Peter, who married on June 19, 1751 in Breese, and died there on Nov. 3, 177?.
July 5, 1722 Son Hans Jurgen, who married in 1763 in Bostelwiebeck.
April 12, 1727 Daughter Catharina Margaretha, who died Oct. 6, 1729
Jurgen Luhmann died on January 13, 1740. His wife Clara Margaretha died on
September 5, 1754. His son Christian Friedrich took over the property. He was married
to Anna Margaretha Mueller from Koval. This marriage must have remained childless,  because there are no church records of baptisms or burials from the above named marriage
On February 8, 1757, Christian Friedrich Luhmann died. His widow Anna Margaretha in the same year surrendered the property to her brother-in-law Valentin. She died on August 4, 1786 at the age of 70 years.
Valentin Luhmann married Catharina Sophia Mueller from Kovahl on October 2, 1752.
She was the daughter of a shepherd. At that time, according to church records, the
children of herdsmen and shepherds almost exclusively married amongst themselves, so it can be assumed that Valentin was also a herdsman or shepherd.
From this marriage are the following children:
April 29, 1753 Son Jurgen Heinrich
Jan. 11, 1755 Daughter Anna Dorothea Sophia
Jan 28, 1757 Daughter Anna Margaretha, who died July 18, 1765
July 30, 1759 Daughter Catharina Elisabeth , who married Friedrich Wilhelm Ries, a landlord from Oldendorf, on November 15, 1782
Nov. 23, 1761 Daughter Elisabeth Margarethe
Mar. 23, 1764 Daughter Maria Magdalena
Dec. 1, 1766 Daughter Anna Margarete, who died April 14, 1767
June 14, 1768 Son Johann Friedrich
Sept. 6, 1772 Son Ernst Ludewig


Page three translated by Christi's source.

Valentin Luhmann died on May 15, 1793. His wife Catharina Sophia Müller died before him on January 1, 1789 at the age of 56 years.
On November 19, 1784 oldest son Jürgen Heinrich Luhmann married Catharina Elizabeth Gehrke, the daughter of a landlord, Andreas Heinrich Gehrke from Dübbekold. The married couple had these children:
Sept. 26, 1785 son Johann Jürgen
June 21, 1788 daughter Catharina Elisabeth married a (?) Johann Jürgen Bartels from Eichdorf on Nov. 10, 1812
Mar. 13, 1791 daughter Margaretha Magdalena married Jürgen Christoph Heinrich Seil from Breese on Nov. 16, 1810
June 26, 1794 daughter Catharina Maria married Jürgen Friedrich Seil, a farmhand from Lüben, on April 30, 1822. She died on Oct. 7, 1848
Catharina Elisabeth Luhmann died on Dec. 8, 1822, at the age of 65 years.
On Nov. 11, 1809, Johann Jürgen Luhmann, who inherited the property, and Anna
Maria Reinecke
from Nahrendorf married. At this time, Jürgen Heinrich Luhmann was
already desceased. The exact date is not known.
The married couple Johann Jürgen and Anna Maria Luhmann had these children:
Nov. 30, 1809 son Johann Jürgen Christian, who died on Dec. 4, 1809
Oct. 8, 1810 a stillborn child
Mar. 9, 1812 twins: daughter Anna Catharina, who died Oct. 10, 1816
son Jürgen Heinrich
Dec. 15, 1814 son Johann Christoph, who married the widow Anna Dorothea Elisabeth Meyer from Süschendorf on May 15, 1859. He was an estate manager in Ventschau, and died on July 27, 1873
Jan. 26, 1818 daughter Catharina Margaretha, who married the shepherd Jürgen Friedrich Meyer on May 18, 1838. He was later the game warden at the royal Prussian hunting ground in Röthen
Mar. 7, 1820 daughter Anna Maria, who married Jürgen Heinrich Wilhelm Schulz from Schutschur on Dec. 5, 1841
Dec. 19, 1821 son Johann Jürgen Ludewig, who died on May 14, 1822
Sept. 15, 1823 daughter Anna Dorothea Elisabeth, who married Johann Heinrich Christoph Schlaphof , a farm laborer from Eichdorf, on Oct. 18, 1843
Aug. 19, 1825 daughter Catharine Dorothee Elisabeth, who married Johann Jürgen Bartels, a landlord from Eichdorf
Sept. 27, 1827 triplets: son Jürgen Friederich, who died on Dec. 24, 1827
son Johann Jürgen who died on Dec. 22, 1827 a stillborn son.
Apr. 15, 1829 daughter Margaretha Magdalene Elisabeth, who married a ship hand, Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Pagel from Schutschur, on Dec. 26, 1850.


Last page translated by Christi.

Johann Jürgen Luhmann died on March 6, 1843, and his wife Anna Maria died on December 2, 1867 at the age of 76. Their son inherited the property, and sold it in 1876, thus ending the 220 year history of the Luhmann family in Eichdorf.
Your ancestors Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer and his wife Catharina Margaretha Luhmann lived in Eichdorf until about 1845. There the following children were born:
1 Katharina Maria Elisabeth Oct. 24, 1839
2 A stillborn daughter Dec. 21, 1840
3 Katharina Margarethe Elisabeth Feb. 2, 1842
4 Jürgen Heinrich Wilhelm Oct. 7, 1843
5 Katharina Dorothea Elisabeth Sept. 12, 1845
1845, the above named Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer (bought) property in Oldendorf, and at the same time was employed as a game warden at the Royal Prussian game preserve in Röthen. In Oldendorf, the couple had these children:
6 Maria Katharina Oct. 27, 1847
7 Dorothea Elisabeth Oct. 15, 1849
8 Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Dec. 9, 1851
In 1869, Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer was still listed as owner of the property.
As for the fate of the children numbered 1, 3, 5, 7, nothing is known. Also, the death data of Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer and wife Margaretha Catharina Luhmann is unknown to me. The next time I go to the church office of the municipality of Nahrendorf, I will check to see if I can find something of further interest to you. I will then inform you.
Concerning the ancestors of Maria Schenk, I have no information. Perhaps you can contact this address for information:
Kirchenbüro der Ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde
Zollstrasse 28
21354 Bleckede
I hope that I have helped you somewhat, and wish you much joy during your family search.
Heartfelt greetings from Germany,
Hans-xxxx Kregel


This has four pages. And concludes with his signiture.
Is that not another angel of god by the name Hans. I mean the random act of kindness is amazing. For him to go the the church archives and look all that up for a stranger. I never in my wildest dreams thought he would go and look it up. I never asked him to do this, either. And then send it in a medium envelope wanting nothing back in return. What goodness is in that man can be seen. I hope he did not have to pay a fee. I imagine E. Meyer did not know, if we were related. So he had to find out. She did live in the Oldendorf Goehrde area. I would not be a bit surprised if she was in the Karl Heinz. Genze*l tree family



~~~~~~~ Personal speculation and comments ~~~~

17.Sept.1819 ?????
Now to go over the first page with a fine tooth comb.
In the posting about Johann Juergen Meyer and Maria Elsiabeth Behrens of Neetzendorf we noted three sons, who had lived and one daughter, who had lived past infancy. The others were all buried younger than five or so. The last son of those records was born 1817. I remember that I had found him earlier this year on the Himbergen, Uelzen records of Weste village. Married to Raetzmann. Though it says born Neetzendorf. I have wondered, if it could be an error. 3.10.1817 is the birth date of Hinrich Juergen Meyer. The last son on my records.
Juergen Friedrich Meyer child number six * 29.11.1814 through +18.09.1879 Perhaps Instead of 1819 it could read 1879???
Johann Juergen Meyer child number two 15.12.1806 1st son the eldest.
~ 17.12.1806 babtizing day.

Perhaps it is meant to be the death date of Jurgen Friedrich Meyer. Instead of 1819, it is 1879. It is so close to that in every way except the year. -[ I shall have to send a copy to Herr Bock.] I need to verify the Luhmann information that I received. I have not done so, after all this time.

But it can't be that because it says his parents are Johann Jurgen Meyer and Maria Elisabeth Behrens. So maybe something else is at another church.

It is nice to see that Juergen Friedrich Meyer [geb.1814] has also the name Heinrich
after Juergen. Just as I know the two sons of his with Margaretha Catharina Margaretha Luhmann had the same with the variation of Wilhelm and Friedrich between them.

Gosh, I have posted this and now I wish my all knowing relative would show with the information solution to this puzzle.

Herr Hans Otto K. gave me another church address, so that I could continue research. He understood that one likes to research their families.
This family who helped me had a right to their privacy. But I have wondered who were their relation. I have wondered, if they could be related to the Karl Heinz [Heinrich] Genzel tree. Perhaps someday, I can write him or find him in phone book and then write him again. I do have a fax machine, but that would be a fortune in cost.

So Point keeper, I have another Luhmann hit. 2 points. It is such a large hit, I think I should get two instead of one!
One Heins person said no he was not family. O Points

One must remember that this information came from Hans and not from the official researcher of the church. Also the data could belong to another Luhman family somehow and not be mine. What I am trying to say is that there are other Luhmann families in this area. However, I was told by a Luhmann that they are pretty sure they are related to all the Luhmanns in that area.

Again one can consult the german phone book to see who they are!
Pretty handy tool, is it not?




Translation translation translation of first page of the letter.
Translation of the letter from Hans Otto K. I subtracted a few names. E. was a full name in the original letter.

--From my mother-in-law, E. Meyer from Oldendorf on the Göhrde (River), I received your letter dated 3/19/2001.
Since I am interested in family history, I endeavor to clarify some of your questions.......

Jürgen Heinrich Jürgen Meyer was born on 17 September, 1819 in Neetzendorf by Dahlenburg and was by occupation a shepherd. His father, likewise a shepherd, Johann Jürgen Meyer and his mother Maria Elisabeth Behrens lived in Neetzendorf.
If you want details of the Meyer family in Neetzendorf, this address will surely help:
Kirchenbüro der Ev.-Luth. Kirche
Johannisstrasse 8
21368 Dahlenburg
Jürgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer married Margaretha Catharina Luhmann from Eichdorf on May 18, 1838 in the St. Lamberti Church of Nahrendorf.
Following is the history of the Luhmann family:
The history of house #2 in Eichdorf
The earliest known occupant is Henning Luhmann. He (oversaw or managed) the home until 1663, when his son Schwiebert married Anna Brese from Nahrendorf, and he (Schwiebert) took over. Henning Luhmann died on July 30, 1673, and his wife Helena died on April 24, 1679.
Also, the Nahrendorf Church records for this time are not complete concerning the children from this marriage, when the house (successor) Schwiebert was born, and how many siblings there were. Only one daughter, Engel, who was 17 years old in 1662, and a stillborn son, born on May 12, 1660 (are in the church records).
From the marriage of Schwiebert Luhmann and Anna Brese came the following children:
March 8, 1665 Son Heinrich Jürgen (?) married
August 28, 1667 Daughter Anna Dorothea, is mentioned in the Nahrendorf church book as being a godparent in 1712.

jo arootdigger

Wednesday, June 18, 2008

BEHRENS, SCHULTZE, SCHULTZEN, CARSTENS, SURNAMES IN THE GENEALOGY OF THE MEYER TREE

The family of Maria Elisabeth Behrens wife of Johan Juergen Meyer, the shepherd from Radenbeck. Again the records are researched by Herr Bock from the archives of Dahlenburg church. I copied them without umlauts. Due to spacing issues, I had to vary a few words and ways of numbering here and there from the original documents. I am sure it would not be entirely correct in a typing class. Instead of roman numerals I had to use regular numbers. In the record the ways of numbering god parents was not consistent. Spelling of names varied according to pastor who recorded information in the church parish. Other than that I did not try to translate anything on this document. Make note of the surnames of the god parents.

Personenstammblatt V:3
Mandant : 00-Boitze 07.10.94
__________________________________________________

BEHRENS, Johann Christopher Juergen
* 10.04.1739 Neetzendorf = Boitze church records( U)
~ 12.04.1739 Dahlenburg
Auszug dem Taufregister der ev.- luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 20/1739
Den 12. April, Johann Christoher Juergen, Christopher Behrens, Hauswirths zu Neetzendorff, Sohn.
Gev.:
1.) Johann Schultze ibidem,
2.) J. Christopher Borries (?) zu Boitze, und
3.) Juergen Hartig zu Hassel,
3 junge Leute.+ Neetzendorf = Boitze
+ - Dahlenburg
Beruf: Hauswirt zu Neetzendorf


1. Ehe :
~~07.12.1759 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Trauregister der eve - luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 27/1759
Den 7ten Xbr. Johann Christoph Behrens, neuangehender Hauswirt zu Neetzeendorf, Christopher Behrens, hauswirts zu Neetzendorf, ehel. Sohn, und Jgfr. Catharine Dorotheee Schultzen, sel. Hans Hinrich Schultzen, gewesenen Hauswirts zu Netzendorf, nachgelassene eheleibliche Tochter.
Schultze, Cathrina Dorothea (F} ev
* 1739 (U) Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 1739 (U) Dahlenburg
+ Neetzendorf = Boitze
+-Dahlenburg

1. Kind: Behrens, Cathrina Dorothea (F) ev
* 08.03.1762 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 10.03.1762 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 10./1762
Cathrine Dorothee Behrens, ist im H. Ehestande gezeuget von Johann Christoph Behrens, Hauswirt zu Netzendorf, u. Cathrine Dorothee Schultzen. Gebohren den 8ten Mart. getauft den 10ten ejusd.
Gevattern :
1.) Cathr. Marlene Burmesters, Hauswirts tochter von Ahndorf,
2.) Cathr. Doroth. Fraemken, Hauswirts Tochter von Netzendorf,
3.) Cathr. Elisabeth Behrens, Hauswirts Tochter von Netzendorf, des Vaters Schwester

2. Kind: BEHRENS, Juergen Friedrich (M) ev
* 01.02.1765 Neetzendorf + Boitze
~ 02.02.1765 Dahlenburg
Auszug dem Taufregister der ev.-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 4/1765
Juergen Friedrich Behrens, Johann Jurgen Behrens, Hauswirths in Neetzendorf, ehel. Sohn, wurde von dessen Ehefrau Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen am lsten Febr. gebohren, ist getauft am 2ten.
Die Gevattern sind:
1.) Juergen Friedrich Riess,
2.) Thomas Friedrich Barge,
3.) Friedrich Schultze.
+ 24.05.1834 Neetzendorf= Boitze
+-Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev.-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 34/1834
Den 24.May, Behrens, Juergen Friedrich, Altentheiler in Neetzendorf, Ehemann von Maria Dorothea Carstens aus Walmsburg, + zu Neetzendorf, Morgens 10 Uhr, an Altersschwaeche and Abzehrung, verursacht durch ein krebsartiges Geschwuer an der nase, alt 69 jahr und 4 Monate, oeffentlich beerdigt am 26sten ejusdem.

3. Kind: BEHRENS, Hans Juergen (M) ev
* 05.01.1769 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 08.01.1769 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem taufregister der ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 1/1769
Hans Juergen Behrens, Johann Christoph Behrens, Hauswirths zu Neetzendorf, und dessen Ehefrau Anna Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Sohn, wurde am 5ten Jan. gebohre, getauft am 8ten.
Die Gevatt. sind:
1.) Hans Juergen Wenck,
2.) Hans Peter Warnecke,
3.) Hans Juergen Clasen.

4. Kind: BEHRENS, Margaretha Magdalena (F] ev
* 16.05.1772 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 17.05 1772 Dahlenburg
Auszung aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 22 /1772
Margaretha Magdalena Behrens, Johann Juergen Behrens, Hauswirths in Neetzendorff, und Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Tochter, is am 16ten May gebohren, getauft am 17ten.
Die Gevaattern sind:
1.) Margaretha Ilsabe Harweges,
2.) Anna Margareta Niebuhrs,
3.) Margaretha Magdalena Schultzen.

5. Kind: BEHRENS, Maria Eliisabeth [F] ev.
* 20.10.1773 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 22.10.1773 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr.39/1773
Maria Elisabeth Behrens, Johann Juergen Behrens, Hauswirth zu Neetzendorff und Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Tochter, wurde am 20sten October gebohren, getauft am 22sten.
Die Gevattern sind :

1.) Dorothea Elisabeth Riess,
2.) Maria Elisabeth Ehlers.
+ 1838 Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- Dahlenburg

6. Kind: BEHRENS Johann Juergen [M] ev
* 21.04.1777 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 23.04.1777 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 22/1777
Johann Juergen Behrens, Johann Hinrich Behrens, Hauswirths zu Neetzendorf, und Catharina Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Sohn, wurde am 21sten April gebohren, getauft am 23sten.
Die Gevattern sind:
1.) Johann Hinrich Voigt,
2.) Frantz Juergen Koenig,
3.) Johann Hinrich Bergmann.

7. Kind: BEHRENS, Juergen Christoph [M] ev
* 20.11.1780 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 22.11.1780 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr.61/1780
Juergen Christoph Behrens, Johann Juergen Behrens, Hauswirths zu Neetzendorff, und Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Sohn, wurde am 20sten Nov.l gebohren, getauft am 22sten.
Die Gevattern sind:
1.) Johann Christoph Rappaul,
2.) Niclaus Juergen Burmeister,
3.) Friedr. Juergen Schope.
__________________________________________________

I don't think any of the children are illegitimate. There are several name variations. It does give a clue then to the parents full names.
In church documents they often added the letter N to names.
I think that is why in this case the letter n is added to Schultze. Though, I always thought it would be women only. Since it is different, I did include it in the title.

-[I need to ask for more information on Carstens.] I think there may be more to this Meyer family at Walmsburg. I really must ask. The big reason I say that is because of The Meyer family and other surnames from Walmsburg in Karl-Heinz  [Heinrich was used before] Genzel tree. The tree was supplied to me by Ms. Weber of Dahlenburg area. I will get into this very important tree of the families in Oldendorf and Sueschendorf. I need more information about those surnames and my own. Reinecke, Schulz, Schulze, Schlicht, Meyer, and Michael. Others of course.

There is no doubt that I will be bringing up the names, dates and places again and again further down the line. This is true for those of the grandparents of Maria Elisabeth Behrens as well.

GENEALOGY OF BEHRENS, SCHULTZE, RAPPAUL, WITH THE MEYER FAMILY

BEHRENS, Christopher (M) eve
* 1700 (U) Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 1700 (U) Dahlenburg (TR beg. 1725)
+ Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- Dahlenburg
Beruf Hauswirt zu Neetzendorf

1. Ehe :
~~28.11.1725 Dahlenburg Den 28 ten 96r. 1725, Christopher BEHRENS, Hans BEHRENS Hauswirths zu Neetzendorf, Sohn, u. Catharine Behrens, Marie Rappaul, Hans Rappaul, gewesenen Hauswirths zu Finndorf [Vindorf], Nachgelassene tochter.

RAPPAUL,
* 1700 [U] Vindorf = Boitze
~ 1700 [U] Dahlenburg (TR beg. 1725)
+ Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- Dahlenburg

1. Kind BEHRENS, Johann Christ. Juergen (M.)
*10.04.1739 [u]
Neetzendorf = Boitze ~ ~12.04.1739 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus Taufregister der ev-luth Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg Nr.20/1739
Den 12.April, Johann Christopher Juergen;, Christopher BEHRENS Hauswirths Neetzendorf, sohn
Gev. :
1] Johann [?]Schultze Ibidem,
2] J. Christopher Borries [?] zu Boitze,
3] Juergen Hartig zu Hassel,
3] junge Leute.
Beruf Hauswirth zu Neetzendorf

2] BEHRENS, Cathrine Elisabeth
* 27.07.1742 [u] Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 29.07.1742 Dahlenburg
Nr. 33/1742.
Cathrine Elisabeth, Christopher Behrens [Tochter.....
Gev.:
1] Catherine Sandmeiers,von Strote
2] Cathrine Elisabeth Luhrs, zu Ahndorff
3] Diedrich Bergman zu Boitze.,
Ein junger Mensch u. Wirths sohn



I will discuss this further later.

Monday, June 16, 2008




Herr Bock sent me this picture card of the church when he sent me the records. I think he sent a map too. I was so tickled.
I would like you to click on the link or paste it into address bar. You can learn more about the church of Dahlenburg.


translated by google.........

And in Chinese ???
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=JyxrPlmVCBQ

The next link is the Historical research services guide to what is available in the kirchspiel. This link shows Bleckede - Dahlenburg. Years of archives. Some Missing.

The beginning pages.
http://www.hist.de/KB-hannover.htm

Sunday, June 15, 2008

A CLOSER LOOK AT THE MEYER -- BEHRENS RECORD

I should translate a little of the Neetzendorfer Meyer and Behrens church record. This is a great help.
http://www3.adnc.com/~lynnd/vuword.html

* is the birth date and place of birth.
~ is the christening date and place.
+ is the date and place of death.
+- is the Burial Place.

I know from experience that sometimes, if the church does not have a record of this date; they will just mention the church register area as the place of burial. If they have the christening date or the death and burial place, there will be a record number for this. Thus Nr. 32/1844 is the death record. Service held at Nahrendorf.

Trauregister is the Marriage record register.
Taufregister is the Christening or babtism record register.
Beerdigungsregister is the death register.
Gev. or Gevattern. According to my understanding, it means God Parent.

You notice that sometimes the godparents name does not even contain any name that the child is given. As in the case of another record of Heinrich Friedrich Herrman Meyer born 1881 at Oldendorf in der Goehrde. While looking into his birth, I noticed the three god parents, and I did not see any Herman name in theirs. However, all three or four names that a person is given is not always mentioned in the name given of the godparent.

The surnames given in the documents here are important to me. I am hoping they are clues to other information. I am sure I will bring the names and locations up again. The places that will be mentioned with this family are:
Ahndorf, Findorf, Fladen, Dahlenburg, Quickborn, Bohndorf, Haassel, Hassel, Hagen, Boitze and Neetzendorf.

Unfortunately, my knowledge stops here with The Behrens family. I have a little past information. But, I have no further individual church records on any of the family. Just look at all the surnames that have been on my mind, since I found this in the mail. I went back to Herr Bock, who had so kindly supplied me with his address and asked for more information on the Behrens family. So I have gone back directly to parents of parents, etc with the new information that he gave me.

- [I need to ask for more on each of the sisters and brothers and relatives of Maria Behrens Meyer.]
- [I should still definately ask for more information on Catherine Dorothea SCHULTZE family, ULRICH, and Rappaul family further back in the line.]

I guess this is why I like blogging. It helps remind me of what I need to be doing. I think I will mark my thoughts with the -[ in the beginning of the sentence and ] at the end.

Beerdigungsregister is the death register at the Luthern church archive in Nahrendorf. Eichdorf villagers attended the church of Nahrendorf. If you ask for records from Nahrendorf or the archives of Dahlenburg, you will find that the research is done by the same person. I tried one time to get this done by another person for no particular reason. Herr Bock does a good job and does all of them. He must have a good knowledge of all of the records. I believe he also helped compile the records in the tree of [Heinrich] orKarl - Heinz Genzel. Of a Hof in Oldendorf and Sueschendorf. Soon there will be a link from me to that tree.

I will save the other Behrens ancestors records for another day. Possibly some pointers to some puzzling surnames. Because of the names , Burmester - Burmeister, we may have to later get into Jonas's tree a bit and Dahlenburg. [ He also has the same surnames - ULRICH and RAPPAUL- RAPUHL, RAPAHL surnames Burmester, Burmeister and locations and the name Luhmann.] Plus mention of some other surrounding villages.

The Jurgen Friedrich Meyer you see in records below, born 1814 is the grgrandfather or ur-grossvater of this family Meyer that I have been investigating. He married Catharina Margarethea Luhmann of Eichdorf. I will give your Juergen Friedrich MEYER family records soon. In the Meyer Book she is mentioned as Margaretha Catharina LUHMAN. She died before Fred and William immigrated. She died in 1856 when Fritz or Fred was five years old. More about her death later. People of this family LUHMANN have emmigrated to the United States. Some went to Minnesota, and Nebraska. Later more on Luhmann in Minnesota. More on LUMAN in Nebraska.

Some were a colony of the Farnhamville church area where the Meyer family lived. There has been mention of the quanity eight as the number of people in the colony. But the lists I have seen had others included, who were not of the Oldendorf in der Goehrde, Nahrendorf area before immigration.

Saucke, Schroeder, Seil, Meyer, Grote, Naefke, Ahrens, Mosel, Luhmann. Zeitz would be one who married into the family. There will be more to come on these surnames for sure. More to come about the colony settlement.

You notice in the record that Juergen Meyer place of burial was Nahrendorf. It was in 1845 that the number six son, that I just mentioned as marrying LUHMANN, moved to Oldendorf. He became a Park warden at a game reserve in Roethen. He also became a landowner of a hof in Oldendorf. I do not know why he was able to be a landowner or work in Roethen. Before this he was a hausling or worker for the LUHMANN family. He was married to the daughter, but his status did not really change too much until he moved to Oldendorf and worked at Roethen. Maybe a big jump in those days from shepherd occupation, which he should have inherited to that of laborer on a farm. And then to that of a landowner. I have wondered how he acquired this ability to own land. There will be a day, when I can write more about Oldendorf and the descendents of Juergen Fredrich Meyer child number six of Johann Juergen Meyer.

Child Number Seven Family
I have to mention that I recently discovered more about child number seven. I found him in Uelzen records. Himbergen, kries Uelzen is a hop and skip across the wheat field from Neetzendorf, [DEPENDING ON WHICH MAP YOUR LOOKING AT OF COURSE.] Again my saint Hans had told me, I had family mentioned in this book by Gunda Friesch and Heinrich Porth. [I think he meant my Seil and Korn family, who were also in this book. More about those later.]
Die Familien and Einwohner des Kirchspiels HIMBERGEN Orsfamilienbuch 1670 -1895.
More on that book later.


Information from OFB Himbergen Book
I received my book of OFB Himbergen. I was mostly looking for my SEIL,
and KORN/SCHMIDT information of area Himbergen - Gross Thondorf and Dahlenburg. I was anticipating finding a tidbit or two of information about some residents of
Oldendorf. Hans mentioned something about my Meyer. Sure
enough there was the son of My 3rd great grandfather and Maria Elisabeth
BEHRENS of Neetzendorf. For a time they were in the Himbergen area.

From Porth's book.......My Meyer info......

Johann Juergen Meyer lived in 1817 Neetzendorf. md before 1817.
Maria Elisabeth BEHRENS lived 1817 Neetzendorf.
Sohn Hinrich Jrgn Meyer---born 1817...died 1846..[3420]
page 241

MEYER, Hch. Jrgn. dienstknecht born 3.10.1817. Neetzendorf
died 23.11.1846 Weste buried 25.11.1846 Himbergen [29JIM18T
---12410] lived 1842 Weste ....parents[3356] d. 9.10.1842 Himbergen[-12411]00 md
Catharina Elisabeth RAETZMANN.
*born 1814 died unknown [2778]

KINDER
1--Jurgen Hch. MEYER
*born 11.10.1842 Weste~. 11.10.1842
Himbergen[12412.].....
+ [died] 24.10.1842.
+-[buried]...26.10.1842.
Himbergen,13 t ----
2---Catharina Elisabeth MEYER
*born 23.2.1845....... Weste
~[babtised] 23,2.1845.[ belongs above]12413].
Ratzman..page202.....

Nothing further can be found in the book about the daughter. I do not know yet who she married, or where she went. No death date was given for that residence. She must have married at another village with another church area. It is too bad that Meyer people had short lives. You never know, though, maybe child born 1817 had children who were in some other church records. I doubt it, but it could be possible??

Note: I have read on some genealogy mailing lists that often times when the christening of the child is the same day as the child is born; is an indication that the child is not doing so well. It could mean that the child did not make it. But then You would think that the death would be mentioned in the church records.

*This is the husband of Catharina Elisabeth Raetzmann. She married Meyer and Lietz.
Johann Hch LIETZ, anbauer, dienstknecht
*[born]...2.3.1822.
Droegennottorf. [They lived] wohnort 1853 ebd. 1851 Weste [ Elt.2768]
00 md 1853 Romstedt prokl Hi........

RAETZMAN [oo Meyer,Lietz],Catharina Elisabeth
*born 6.1.1814 Weste...9.1.1814 Himbergen babtised...[10054]
...kf....1828 ebd....[parents...4198. s.a.3420]

Daughter Dorothea Elisabeth LIETZ. She lived Drogennottorf.
Born 14.10.1851. Weste.
~16.10.1851 Himbergen

RAETZMAN SURNAMES that turned up...... Just brief ideas of family
Luddolfs, Schulz, Siegel,Burmester

LIETZ daughter... Dorothea Elisabeth
born 14.10.1851 Weste
babtised Himbergen..wohnort...Drogennottorf.

Nothing further is known about the rest of the daughters life. If she married, or who she married. I am sure there are more church records of some of these people in other villages of this area. Notice all church record important events are usually the place Himbergen. Babtism and burial.

I have found a bit more on Raetzmann at Rootsweb world connect family trees. Soon, I will get into a little depth of Paul Behmke's wifes tree. She carries the grand parents of my RAETZMAN [who married my MEYER and LIETZ] in her tree. Her uncles had gone to Utah to get information. Her tree involves states of Nebraska and Minnesota also. With some others of the similar surnames from same region, one finds them in Michigan.
____________________________________________________________

Other MEYER of These Records
-Maria Elisabeth lived past childhood. Nothing is mentioned about her further down the line.
-Child number two must have lived past childhood. I have something to show you that maybe mention of him. Or it may not be. I will save that for another time. It would take up lots of time explaining it so that it makes sense.

If anything rings a bell for family. Let me know.

Naturally, I still have many more names and places to investigate.
Perhaps more family members will show up as I go. The surnames in
church records may show themselves or make sense from Ahndorf, Vindorf
and Boitze. Dahlenburg, Sueschendorf, Leehstahl, Oldendorf,
Nahrendorf, Duebekold, Bostelwiebeck, Lemgrabe, Walmsburg, Koestorf,
Nieperfitz, Nudlitz, Horn, Fladen, and others.

Be sure to leave me with some of your questions, requests, stories or information on your possible relationship to mine before you leave my site. Email me at arootdiggeratgmail.com.
.................................................
Heinrich Porth lives in the Luttmissen area not far from Celle. You can read about all his other books. You can google his name and location and more than likely will be able to hit translate. I know I want the other two books. Often you can email him as well. He is very helpful. In fact he has told me that he has Some names I am looking for near his home of Luttmissen.

I could easily look up a few families for you. I had someone do so for me and then I discovered more family than I realized could be there. And they were!
So I just had to have that book.



More about Heinrich Porth and his books
here-

http://www.heinrich-porth.de/40151.html

Saturday, June 14, 2008

Heinrich Christoph MEYER of Radenbeck to Neetzendorf

FROM LITTLE KNOWN ABOUT HEINRICH CHRISTOPH MEYER OF RADENBECK TO THE NEETZENDORFER FAMILY OF JOHANN JUERGEN MEYER WITH MARIA ELISABETH BEHRENS FAMILY.

MEYER, Johann Juergen [M] eve
* 15.08.1772 {R] Radenbeck = Thomasburg
~ ?. 08.1772 Thomasburg
+ 31.10.1844 Eichdorf = Nahrendorf
+-03.11.1844 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev. Luth. Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf Nr. 32/ 1844- Eichdorf- Meyer, Johann Juergen. Altvater zu Eichdorf, hinterbliebeener, wittwer von Elisabeth geb. Behrens. u.. ehel. Sohn des weil. Heinrich Christoph Meyer, Schaefers Zu Radenbeck. Asthma u. Altersschaeche.
Beruf Schaefer in Neetzendorf

1. Ehe : 00 13.11.1803 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Trauregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 16/1803
Johann Juergen MEYER, Schaefer zu Neetzendorf.
u. Maria Elisabeth Behrens Daselbst,
sind am 13ten November Dom. XXIII p. trin. Copuliret.

BEHRENS. Maria Elisabeth (F) ev
* 20.10.1773 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 22.10.1773 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev. luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 39/ 1773
Maria Elisabeth Behrens.
Johann Juergen Behrens, Hauswirth zu Neetzendorff
und Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen Tochter,
wurde am 20sten October gebohren.
Getauft am 22sten.
Die Gevattern sind:
1. Dorothea Reiss.
2. Maria Elisabeth Ehlers.
+ 1838 (?) Neetzendorf = Boitze [
Burial at Dahlenburg.]

1. Kind MEYER, Maria Elisabeth (F) ev
* 13.09.1804 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 15.09.1804 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 37/1804
Maria Elisabeth Meyern ist gebohren zu Neetzendorff
den 13ten September 1804 und
~ Getauft den 15ten September 1804.
Aeltern: Johann Juergen Meyer,
Schaefer zu Neetzendorf
u. Maria Elisabeth gebohrne Behrens aus Neetzendorff.
Gevatterinnen :
Jgfr. Dorothea Elisabeth Schulzen aus Neetzendorff,
Jgfr. Maria Elisab. Clasen aus Bohnendorff,
Jgfr. Cathar. Elisab. Riessen aus Dahlenburg.
( Bohnendorff = Bohndorf)

2. Kind MEYER, Johann Juergen ( M) ev
* 15.12.1806 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 17.12.1806 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev – luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 50/1806
Johann Juergen Meyer, geb. d.. 15ten Decbr.
get.d.17ten Decbr. 1806 am Quatbr.-tage vor
Weihnachten.
Aeltern: Johann Juergen Meyer,
Schaerfer. u. Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens,
aus Neetzendorff.
Gevatter :
Johann Juergen Behrens aus Neetzendorff.

3. Kind MEYER, Franz Juergen Christopher (M) ev
* 31.05.1809 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 02.06.1809 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 26/1809 –Netzendorff-
Franz Juergen Christopher Meyer.
Geb den 31sten Mai 1809. get.den 2ten Juni 1809
in der vollen Woche nach Pfingsten.
Aeltern: Johann Juergen Meyer, Schaefer in Neetzendorff
u. Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens aus Neetzendorff.
Gevattern:
Der Hauswirth Franz Juergen Christopher Behrens in Neetzendorff.
+ 15.04.1810 Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- 17.04.1810 Dahlenburg.
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev – luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 9/1810
Der Schaefer zu Neetzendorff Johann Juergen Meyer
liess den 17ten April sein den 15ten April
and der ErstKrh. ( vertmutlich Gliederkrampf/ Laehmung )
{?} gestorbenes Soehnlein Franz Juergen Christoph beysetzen,
alt worden 1 jahr weniger 1 ½ Monathe.

4. Kind MEYER, Juergen Christopher (M) ev
* 20.02.1811. Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 21.02.1811 Dahlenburg
Auszung aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 4/1811 – Neetzendorff-
Juergen Christopher Meyer, gebohren d, 20sten
Februari 1811, Morgens 3 Uhr, getauft d.
21sten Februari, Nachmittags 2 Uhr.
Aeltern: Johann Juergen Meyer, Schafer in Neetzendorff,
u. Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens aus Neetzendorff.
Gevattern :
Juergen Christopher Riess,
hiesiger Fleckendiener und Nachtwaechter,
Hinrich Christopher Riess,
Knecht hieselbst,
Johann Juergen Schulze in Lestahl.
+ 04.10.1811 Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- 06.10.1811 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev.-luth
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 44/1811
Juergen Christopher Meyer, des Schaefers in
Neetzendorff Johann Juergen Meyers ,
Sohn, is d. 4ten October 1811 gestorben
und d. 6ten beerdigt, alt worden 7 Monathe.

5. Kind MEYER, Juergen Hinrich (M) ev
* 13.01.1813 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 17.01.1813 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg Nr. 5/1813
Juergen Hinrich Meyer, gebohren d. 13ten januari 1813,
abenda 9 Uhr, getauft d. 17ten Januari 1813,
Epiphan II.
Aeltern: Johann Juergen Meyer jetziger Schaefer in Neetzendorff,
und Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens aus Neetzendorff.
Gevattern :
Johann Juergen Bartels,
Hauswirth in Neetzendorff,
Hinrich Schulze aus Quickborn,
jetzt Knecht in Ahnendorff,
Juergen Reinecke, Hauswirths Sohn aus Sueschendorff.
+ 23.02.1813 Neetzendorf = Boitze
+- 26.02.1813 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 14/1813 –Neetzendorff-
Juergen Hinrich Meyer, des Schaefer Johann Juergen Meyer
und Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens ehelicher Sohn,
ist d. 23sten Februari 1813 gestorben und d.
26sten Februari beerdigt worden, seines Alters 6 Wochen.

6. Kind MEYER, Juergen Friedrich (M) ev
* 29.11.1814 Neetzendorff = Boitze
~ 30.11.1814 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg Nr. 46/1814 –Neetzendorff-
Juergen Friedrich Meyer, geb. d. 29sten November 1814.
Morgens 2 Uhr, get, d. 30sten November 1814 in
der ersten Advent Woche.
Aeltern : Johann Juergen Meyer, Schaefer,
u. Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens aus Neetzendorff.
Gev.:
Juergen Friedrich Behrens, Hauswirth in Neetzendorff.
+ 18.09.1879 ® Oldendorf = Nahrendorf
+- 20.09.1879 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Nr. 24/1879
Meyer, Juergen Friedrich ,
Parkwaerter in Roethen,
alt 64 jahre 9 monate 19 tage, . begr. 20 September 1879
in Nahrendorf.
Beruf Hausw. In Oldendorf und Parkwaerter in Roethen.

7. Kind MEYER, Hinrich Juergen (M) ev
* 03.10.1817 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 04.10.1817 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 49/1817 -Neetzendorff--
Hinrich Juergen Meyer;
geb. Dem 3ten, get. Den 4ten October 1817.
Altern: Johann Juergen Meyer, Schaefer in Neetzendorf,
u. Maria Elisabeth geb. Behrens aus Neetzendorf.
Gev.:
Hinrich Behrens, Hauswirths Sohn aus Neetzendorff.
________________________________________________________

Tuesday, June 3, 2008

A rootdiggers genealogy of the Meyer family

MORE ABOUT RADENBECK AND THOMSBURG MEYER GENEALOGY
I began my search on Ancestry.com and Rootsweb back in 2001. I was able to browse for free for a short amount of time. My memory is a bit foggy now about what I was allowed to do. I did leave many many posts all over the message boards at Rootsweb. Also at the family tree maker boards now called genealogy.com. I had many email addresses, which I have used over this time period. I had to change them often because my posting history would get so long. After someone finds my post, and clicks on to my post, my email is shown there. Then they may write to me personally. Or they can just reply to my posting message at that board. The program is set up that it will notify me, when someone replies to my post. However, if I no longer have the email that is shown there, I have to remember to check back. Or I can leave a new mail address. That way I shouldn't miss out on that very important reply post.

Okay, I have missed a few notifications of other reply postings. I did lose a few emails for many many reasons. I guess that is a good reason to mention documentation is a good idea. [I guess that is why I want to journal my genealogy journey.] I have heard notepad is a good for a method of taking notes like a notebook. [I recently heard about google's notepad. I am going to check that out.] You can add your date from day to day and then add whatever you wish to your blog. Then transfer over to a real blog, if you want. Though you have to make a few changes to the text. [ It's easy to miss a few things]

I am hoping a blog is my answer for the best way to store my steps and processes my various jabberings about it all. Blogging is even better than Notepad, because the information can be found by simply browsing over the web. It could lead lost descendents to me. That is what I am really hoping will happen. I especially want long lost relatives with all the answers to my questions to show up! I am hoping the long lost relatives will find their answers as well! They could pass along the information to others after they email me. That would be great. I love talking or writing genealogy with others!

I really do believe, if you get the genealogy information out there, they will come. I am long past due to get the entire information out there. I mean with everything all in one spot as if in a bucket. The Meyer name is actually only a cup worth in a five gallon bucket. There are many more surnames to cover. Though I suppose, I could fill half the bucket with the names that mix with the Meyer surname.

As I said that in order to find anything in detail, I had to go from the fourteen day trial period offer, [which one can get with some credit card entries ] to subscription. After while, a person has to try something new to find what he or she is looking for in their surname and genealogy search. So, I ventured into the Mailing lists that one finds at the top of the page at Rootsweb. One can find an assortment of these according to your needs. I subscribed to Meyer mailing list, and I also browsed various other surnames and regions. [Celle, Uelzen, Gohrde, Bleckede, Bohemia, Dannenberg]

I knew I needed the region that was mentioned in the church records of St. Peters Luthern church records in Iowa. This is where I had found that the Meyer family settled in 1800's. It was in that area of Farnhamville with Calhoun and Greene county people as it's church members. It is a wide spanned area in Iowa.
The members would reach into Webster county to the east as well. In the church records, I found the birth origination information of Fred Meyer. His family was listed to be from Bleckede. His wife Dorothea Schenk as well. The 1870 census verified the region Hanover and other years of the census mentioned Germany.

In another source of my information a few years later, the 'Meyer Book', listed the birth area for brother William as Eichdorf. I knew that these two areas were in the Hannover Kingdom. I also knew the Hannover kingdom and Prussia had a certain time period and various boundaries accordingly.

Hannover Kingdom started being called that in 1814. Hannover Kingdom changed to Prussian monarchy in fall of 1866. Once can be vague and say Germany or Niedersachen. But one will run into someone at various times, who will correct you. I am not good at this description of the various time periods of this region in Niedersachen, so maybe here would be a good place to review.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanover_state

Many times I have read that the previous residence listed on a census was that they were from Hannover, Hanover, or Prussia. I started out thinking Meyer came from Oldenburg or even Nurenburg. Possibly even Frankfort. But the census settled that question. So far I know that the time span of residence in 'germany' is the year 1772 - to latest birth of a Meyer in Prussia, which is the year 1884. And then there was the Emmigration of Juergen Hch. Wilhelm Meyer in February 1884 to Hamburg.

Since, I liked the Rootsweb Hannover Kingdom mailing list around 2003, I became active with my posting. The following information is taken from one of my first inquiries about the Meyer name at Radenbeck. I can find this by checking old posts at my various email accounts. I can find it by googling certain words and Hannover list. I can also find it by browsing the archives of the list and the archives of rootswebs archives of mailing lists.
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The results of the posting on the Hannover Kingdom Mailing list about Radenbeck and the Meyer family. [ Familie and familien is basically about the german word for family, which I use while cruising the internet.]

From: Hans"[HN] Meyer, RadenbeckDate: 2003/02/15 21:12:29
There are two "Radenbeck" in Germany:1)Radenbeck bei Dahlenburg = 21401 Thomasburg, Kreis Lüneburg (nowadays postal address)2)Radenbeck bei Wittingen, Nieders. = 29378 Wittingen (nowadays postal address)
As there are more connections into the region Lüneburg, I´m almost sure your Radenbeck is that one you reach by
21401 Thomasburg,
OT Radenbeck
In an elderly peace of family researching work :
Borstelmann, Heinrich: Familien- kunde des alten Amtes Lüne, Lüneburg 1935, I found in this Radenbeck the following mentioning of inhabitants, which the author took from tax-lists and other official documents. So you can´t expect dates of birth, death and marriages, but you get hints for further research.
Meyer, Meier, Meyger mentioned for 21401 Radenbeck with date of mentioning:
1450: de Meyger, H. ( the last "H." stands for Höfner)
1776: Jürgen Meyer
1785: Jürgen Hinr.,Hh.;ehem. Jacob Sommer ("Hh." means Halbhöfner and the added "ehem. Jacob Sommer" says, that he took over a half, means a small one, farm from this Jacob Sommer
1791 und 1795: Jürgen Chr., Krüger (Krüger means he had and Inn, was allowed to sell drinks, engage musicians, etc., in short words, he hold the place for feasts)

As you see, up to now there is yet no name: Heinrich Christoph Meyer. That is not astonishing, if he was not the eldest one, or that one who overtook the place of his father. I think, there must be good chance, to find the date of birth of your Heinrich Christoph Meyer in the Church Book of Thomasburg (Evangelische Kirchengemeinde,21401 Thomasburg).

Some years ago, I made myself researches in these Books, but I wouldn`t be able to go there before the summer, so you have to try and find someone directly under the address of the church or otherwise. Otherwise contact me in Juli or August03". ________________________________________

Many times a person in the list will post in the german language and it is up to me to translate in any fashion I want. I was lucky that this Hans posted in English. I have more of his postings, which I found very helpful. He didn't give me the information from Radenbeck- Thomasburg church as he had mentioned in his post. I had been hopeful that he would. I think that I may have dropped out of the list for a time because of some kind of technical problem due to my not being able to properly read a german email notice about the list. And then my failure to respond. Later on I joined the list again. He has always been a saint. I wish I could help him back someday.
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[HN] Meyer, Radenbeck, 2.MitteilungDate: 2003/02/15 22:29:12
From: Hans

"A second time, same subject Meyer von Radenbeck,found a newer work, revisiting almost the same documents as the author Borstel- mann respecting by this the meantime progress in historical science:
Horst-Dieter Freiherr von Enzberg/Dietmar Gehrke: Aus der Vergangenheit der Dörfer der Samtgemeinde Ostheide. Von den Anfängen bis in das 19.Jahrhundert,Samtgemeinde Ostheide (Hrsg.),Barendorf 2001

There I found Meyer in Radenbeck:
1723: Dieterich Meyer, : ein Köthner, nach Scharnebeck abgabenpflichtig
1756 und 1760 Meyer : this is a comparision before and during, respectivlely after the "Siebenjähriger Krieg", which was von 1756 to 1763, and says, this Meyer had before, 1 male worker(son or farm hand), 1 female farmworker, 2 horses, 6 oxes and 20acre land, afterwards it remained 1 female worker, 2 horses, 6 oxes , and 20 acre land. that means there were 2 workers lost. The other people lost in most cases more than this Meyer.
1825: Heinrich Dieterich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 231 Morgen Land
Jürgen Hinrich Meyer, Halbhöfner, 184 Morgen Land
Claus Jürgen Meyer, Anbauer, 13 Morgen Land
That`s, what I can tell you in the moment,

best wishes,
Hans"

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So that was information from the area of Radenbeck with church in Thomasburg. Still nothing on the shepherd Heinrich Christoph Meyer from that church.

I think it was before christmas of last year that I discovered that I could order that book:
"Enzberg, Horst-Dieter Freiherr von; Gehrke, Dietmar: Aus der Vergangenheit der Dörfer der Samtgemeinde Ostheide[3-89876-034-0]12,95
Aus der Vergangenheit der Dörfer der Samtgemeinde Ostheidesubtitle: Von den Anfängen bis in das 19. Jahrhundert
editor/anthologist: Horst-Dieter Freiherr von Enzberg, Dietmar Gehrke product information: 191 p., numerous photos in colour and black/white, hardcoveryear of publication: 2001
price Euro: 12,95ISBN 10: 3-89876-034-0
ISBN 13: 978-3-89876-034-8
publishing house: Husum Verlag
Die Geschichte der Dörfer der Samtgemeinde Ostheide (Barendorf, Neetze, Reinstorf, Thomasburg, Vastorf und Wendisch Evern)

I did get it. I found that there are many more lists of Meyer family in various villages. It tells how many pigs and chickens they owned. etc. There are other surnames listed as well. It is a very good book written all in german, of course. I like the fact that this book gives the names and information in tables. It cuts down on the process of translating to much less time spent on words unnecessary to my needs!

I would be happy to look up any surname you think lived there in various time periods. Because the book does start with information very early after the caveman time period.

If you have an interest in the names of the villages, I can help you with that as well. Just email me and I will try to answer your question.
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Some understanding for research about our peasants Meyers and others came to me from this posting by Hans.

Date: 2003/02/17 21:48:56 From: Hans
"as my anchestors were sheperds and musicians as far as I could find them back and they had the same name as I, perhaps I can help a bit another time.
At first during since the middle age up to about 185o the landscape "Lüneburger Heide", all places you told me belong there to, had shortness of trees. That was needed in Lüneburg for getting the salt out of salt-water and on the baldness gr especially the Erica. These places were not useful for other beasts than sheep. That`s the reason why you find so much shepherds in the parish books.

Where there have been monasteries, these had often their own flock and for that their shepherds. In the villages the shepherd had to keep care of all sheeps of the village people, as there were also herdsman for pigs and cows. The places were the different herds and flocks were kept and nourished were first common places of the village, what was not valid for the farms. These were led on own account of the "Höfner, Halbhöfner" , but belonged to the "Grundherr", to whom had to be paid for the lend. In social hierarchy, the shepherds were beyond this peasants. But nevertheless they were part of the community and stayed in the village. So they didn`t have to turn around the country looking for new existence and frh nourishment for sheeps. Everywhere they could go, they would have come upon other villages and shepherds. So things were regulated by the possibilities inside the borders of a village.

It may be of that reason, that there are so many documents in the archives. Everything had to be regulated. The developement went to more individualisation. So the common property of the village was given up and everyone cared about his own horses cattle, pigs, and sheeps. For everyone tried to earn his living by peasantry, the sheep ground was more and more used for woodproduktion, grain etc. So the shepherds became less and had to look for other professions. For example mine became musicians, others peasants. The whole differentiation of tailors, shoemaker, slaughter increased. Between 1820 and 1840 the common used places came to an end. There were build new farms into these former area, whereever it seemed possible to keep a new farm alive.

So that`s in short form the developement, which is in the concrete cases and with it´s changes over the hundreds of years much more complicated. As there were no idea of love-marriages in the country people, everyone looked to keep his stan- ding in the village. The rich peasants did not marry to the poor peasants and so on. So that doesn`t mean, that there was no vertical change at all possible. But that took work of generations, later on because of increase of population there were more people than traditional and grown positions in such villages. That was the time of beginning migration.

I forgot to answer the question, if they could be landowners. Everyone was a gardener in the village and kept as much beast as possible. But as you could not buy the nourishment as nowadays it was limited to the possibility of producing capacities in form from green land etc. If someone managed to get this by and by, you`ll find them later one in registers with the "Höfner". I never found something similar for the shepherds in form of guilds as there has been for craftsman.

One word more to your "Twisselhop". I`m almost sure that that place is the "Visselhövede" I told you. The explanation is "Twisselhop" is just the "plattdeutsche" word for "Visselhövede". I was puzzling, because I wasn`t aware anyware deep in the United States someone speaks this dialect. Tell me one day, if I was right". _________________________________________

I had been reading the interpretation of the book interpreted by google about Dahlenburg written by Charlotte Wodaege. In her book was mention of various guilds that the villagers belonged to. So what Hans said about the peasants answers to any thoughts I had of finding family in such posted guilds at Dahlenburg.

Hans was not right about Twisselhop or Twiselhop location. Also, I had been searching for some other places that I had learned from the various records from the churches. My source had said in various spellings Kreutzen Rezbez Lueneburg. Of course Hans helped me later solve that puzzle as well. I will leave that discovery and the area of Kruetzen for another day.

Okay, maybe a few more clues. This was the area that I had to find for Maria Dorothea Heins, who married Jurgen Heinrich Wilhelm [William] Meyer of Eichdorf and Farnhamville church [ colony] area in Calhoun county, Iowa. When he married Maria Dorothea Heins from Celle, I think he lived in Oldendorf in der Goehrde. He and his family attended the Nahrendorf Church. He did work at village Horn. I am not sure who his employer was.

Brother Fred Meyer was first at Galena, then Jackson county, Iowa and later to Churdan in Greene county, Iowa. He immigrated 1869. William Immigrated to USA April 6 1884 on the ship FRISIA. Later there will be more about the Immigrations and the ship list of Frisia.
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I have received other correspondence not yet shared here. I have received information from the web such as other trees. I will get into those another time.

I think I have covered alot of my research of Thomasburg and Radenbeck. Did you notice that in this research it involved five book sources. There was that mention of Radenbeck - Thomasburg church records, that of Heinrich Borstelmanns book of region Luene, that of the Ostheide region book by Gehrke and Freiherr von Enzberg, and the book written by Charlotte Wodaege. [That one became practically my bible.] I am sure they will be mentioned a few times more.

It's seems to me that I have shown a little bit on which to snack. What we need is a little lunch! We need here some real meat and potatoes on our plate. So good bye until next time, when we get some meat and potatoes.

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