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Thursday, March 27, 2014

Where is Waldo ...... SEIL on the Passenger ship list ?

Well it's been done.  Yes it has really. I  say I have found my great great grandmothers immigration passage. Marie Ilse Brookmann Seil.
  Marie Seil was born about 1812. At the age of 61, she departed from Hamburg, Germany, on April 9, 1873, and she arrived in New York. Her residence is listed as Netzendorf which is part of The Dahlenburg area.  Maria Seil's  birth date is on her tombstone as 9.September.1811. Her death was 15.Aug.1890.

Marie Seil
Departure Date: 9 Apr 1873
Birth Date: abt 1812
Age: 61
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Relationship: Frau (Wife)
Residence: Netzendorf, Hannover
 ag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: New York

Ship Name: Westphalia
Captain: Schwensen
Shipping line: Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft
Shipping Clerk: Aug. Bolten Wm. Miller`s Nachfolger
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Ship Fl 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 028 B
Household Members:
Name Age
Marie Seil 61

Source Citation: Staatsarchiv Hamburg; Hamburg, Deutschland; Hamburger Passagierlisten; Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 028 B; Page: 240; Microfilm No.: K_1718.
Source Information:
Staatsarchiv Hamburg. Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934[database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 2008.
Original data: Staatsarchiv Hamburg, Bestand: 373-7 I, VIII (Auswanderungsamt I). Mikrofilmrollen K 1701 - K 2008, S 17363 - S 17383, 13116 - 13183.
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Now I  can't say with complete certainty that it is her. I mean,  how can you with only limited signs of proof?.

I have the name and  year of birth mediumly accurate. The birth year for this Maria Seil is 1812.  [9.September.1811.Close enough.
Her residence is Netzendorf which is totally surprising. Since I pictured in my  mind as living in the village of Dahlenburg. But Netzendorf is included in the territory of Dahlenburg. Just as it is in territory of Bleckede.

Note :   Prior to finding this immigration, I had discovered via AIDAauswandereronline that a Dorman family resided at Fladen. Searching their passage from  Fladen  [by Dahlenburg]  through Hamburg I learned that right next to the last Dorman listed on that ship passenger list  was a Johann H. Seil  with birth  year  1842  similar to that of  the Joliet living Johann Heinrich Seil. Ancestor of the Wilhelm Seil author of the author of the book  Sherlock Holmes Mystery of the Titantic. [ See older posts.] He is thought to  have  immgrated 1872.  I'll do a post on these. And there is conflicting name  info as to if it is the Henry Dohrman of Joliet, Will county,  Illinois with Dorothy Seil as wife.

This post is copyrighted.2014.  No copies to internet allowed.If you find it  under another name other than mine Jo Meyer's  arootdigger its been illegally copied. 

Stay tuned for future post on the passenger ship  list of this ship 9.apr.1873

Saturday, January 18, 2014

Luhmann Family Familie Chronik tree Genealogy With Meyer Family History

Work in Progress. Work done by Ms. Chance and I.

Descendants of Henning Luhmann

Generation No. 1

1. Henning1 Luhmann died July 30, 1673. He married Helena ?. She died April 24, 1679.

Children of Henning Luhmann and Helena ? are:
2. i. Schwiebert2 Luhmann, d. February 16, 1687/88.
ii. Engel Luhmann, b. Abt. 1645.
iii. Unknown Luhmann, b. May 12, 1660; d. May 12, 1660.

Generation No. 2

2. Schwiebert2 Luhmann (Henning1) died February 16, 1687/88. He married (1) Anna BRESE. She was born in Nahrendorf, Germany, and died November 26, 1672. He married (2) ? Abt. 1673.

Children of Schwiebert Luhmann and Anna Brese are:
i. Heinrich Jurgen3 Luhmann, b. March 08, 1664/65, Eichdorf, Germany.
ii. Anna Dorothea Luhmann, b. August 28, 1667, Eichdorf, Germany.

Children of Schwiebert Luhmann and ? are:
3. iii. Jurgen3 Luhmann, b. 1673, Eichdorf, Germany; d. January 13, 1739/40.
iv. Claus Jacob Luhmann, b. February 08, 1675/76, Eichdorf, Germany; d. May 29, 1755.
v. Hans Diedrich Luhmann, b. February 27, 1677/78, Eichdorf, Germany.
vi. Valentin Johann Luhmann, b. October 19, 1681, Eichdorf, Germany; d. February 15, 1730/31.

Generation No. 3

3. Jurgen3 Luhmann (Schwiebert2, Henning1) was born 1673 in Eichdorf, Germany, and died January 13, 1739/40. He married Clara Margarethe SCHULTZ*. She died September 05, 1754.

Children of Jurgen Luhmann and Clara Schultz are:
i. Christian Friedrich4 Luhmann, b. May 03, 1712, Eichdorf, Germany; d. February 08, 1757; m. Anna Margaretha MUELLER*; b. Abt. 1716, Kovahl, Germany; d. August 04, 1786.
ii. Anthon Frantz Luhmann, b. January 26, 1713/14, Eichdorf, Germany; m. ?, October 19, 1747, Bostelwiebeck, Germany.
iii. Dorothea Maria Luhmann, b. January 24, 1715/16, Eichdorf, Germany.
iv. Heinrich Jurgen Luhmann*, b. September 20, 1717, Eichdorf, Germany; m. ?, October 29, 1757, Leestahl, Germany.

More About Heinrich Jurgen Luhmann:
Occupation: Shepherd

v. Johann Peter Luhmann, b. January 02, 1720/21, Eichdorf, Germany; d. Abt. 1775, Breese, Germany; m. ?, June 19, 1751, Breese, Germany.
vi. Hans Jurgen Luhmann, b. July 05, 1722; m. ?, 1763, Bostelwiebeck, Germany.
4. vii. Valentin Luhmann, b. March 05, 1723/24, Eichdorf, Germany; d. May 15, 1793.
viii. Catharina Margaretha Luhmann, b. April 12, 1727, Eichdorf, Germany; d. October 06, 1729, Eichdorf, Germany.

Generation No. 4

4. Valentin4 Luhmann (Jurgen3, Schwiebert2, Henning1) was born March 05, 1723/24 in Eichdorf, Germany, and died May 15, 1793. He married Catharina Sophia MUELLER* October 02, 1752. She was born 1732 in Kovahl, Germany, and died January 01, 1789.

More About Valentin Luhmann:
Occupation: Shepherd

Children of Valentin Luhmann and Catharina Muller are:
5. i. Jurgen Heinrich5 Luhmann, b. April 29, 1753, Eichdorf, Germany; d. Bef. 1809.
ii. Anna Dorothea Sophia Luhmann, b. January 11, 1755, Eichdorf, Germany.
iii. Anna Margaretha Luhmann, b. January 28, 1757, Eichdorf, Germany; d. July 18, 1765.
iv. Catharina Elisabeth Luhmann, b. July 30, 1759, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Friedrich Wilhelm RIES, November 15, 1782.

More About Friedrich Wilhelm Ries:
Occupation: Landlord
Residence: Oldendorf, Germany

v. Elisabeth Margarethe Luhmann, b. November 23, 1761, Eichdorf, Germany.
vi. Maria Magdalena Luhmann, b. March 23, 1764, Eichdorf, Germany.
vii. Anna Margarete Luhmann, b. December 01, 1766, Eichdorf, Germany; d. April 14, 1767.
viii. Johann Friedrich Luhmann, b. June 14, 1768, Eichdorf, Germany.
ix. Ernst Ludewig Luhmann, b. September 06, 1772.

Generation No. 5

5. Jurgen Heinrich5 Luhmann (Valentin4, Jurgen3, Schwiebert2, Henning1) was born April 29, 1753 in Eichdorf, Germany, and died Bef. 1809. He married Catharina Elizabeth GEHRKE November 19, 1784, daughter of Andreas Heinrich GEHRKE. She was born 1757, and died December 08, 1822.

Children of Jurgen Luhmann and Catharina Gehrke are:
6. i. Johann Jurgen6 Luhmann, b. September 26, 1785, Eichdorf, Germany; d. March 06, 1843.
ii. Catharina Elisabeth Luhmann, b. June 21, 1788, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Johann Jurgen BARTELS, November 10, 1812.

More About Johann Jurgen Bartels:
Residence: Eichdorf, Germany

iii. Margaretha Magdalena Luhmann, b. March 13, 1791, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Jurgen Christoph Heinrich SEIL, November 16, 1810.
iv. Catharina Maria Luhmann, b. June 26, 1794, Eichdorf, Germany; d. October 07, 1848; m. Jurgen Friedrich SEIL*, April 30, 1822.

More About Jurgen Friedrich Seil:
Occupation: Farm hand
Residence: Luben, Germany

Generation No. 6

6. Johann Jurgen6 Luhmann (Jurgen Heinrich5, Valentin4, Jurgen3, Schwiebert2, Henning1) was born September 26, 1785 in Eichdorf, Germany, and died March 06, 1843. He married Anna Maria REINECKE* November 11, 1809. She was born 1791 in Nahrendorf, Germany, and died December 02, 1867.

Children of Johann Luhmann and Anna REINECKE are:
i. Johann Jurgen Christian7 Luhmann, b. November 30, 1809, Eichdorf, Germany; d. December 04, 1809.
ii. Unknown Luhmann, b. Abt. 1811, Eichdorf, Germany; d. Abt. 1811.

More About Unknown Luhmann:
Cause of Death: Stillborn

iii. Anna Dorothea Elisabeth Luhmann, b. October 10, 1812, Eichdorf, Germany.
iv. Jurgen Hienrich Luhmann, b. October 10, 1812, Eichdorf, Germany.

Notes for Jurgen Hienrich Luhmann:
Jurgen sold the property in Eichdorf in 1876, thus ending the 220 year history of the Luhmann family of Eichdorf.

v. Johann Christoph Luhmann, b. December 15, 1814, Eichdorf, Germany; d. July 27, 1873; m. Anna Dorothea Elisabeth MEYER[MEIER], May 15, 1859.
7. vi. Catharina Margaretha Luhmann, b. January 26, 1818, Eichdorf, Germany; d. 1855, Germany.
vii. Anna Maria Luhmann, b. March 07, 1820, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Jurgen Heinrich Wilhelm SCHULZ+, December 05, 1841.

More About Jurgen Heinrich Wilhelm SCHULZ:
Residence: Schutschur, Germany

viii. Johann Jurgen Ludwig Luhmann, b. December 19, 1821; d. May 14, 1822.
ix. Anna Dorothea Elisabeth Luhmann*, b. September 15, 1823, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Johann Heinrich Christoph SCHLAPHOF[F]*+, October 18, 1843.

More About Johann Heinrich Christoph Schlaphof:
Occupation: Farm hand

x. Catharine Dorothea Elisabeth Luhmann, b. August 19, 1825, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Johann Jurgen BARTELS.
xi. Johann Jurgen Luhmann, b. September 27, 1827, Eichdorf, Germany; d. December 22, 1827.
xii. Jurgen Friedrich Luhmann, b. September 27, 1827, Eichdorf, Germany; d. December 24, 1827.
xiii. Unknown Luhmann, b. September 27, 1827, Eichdorf, Germany; d. September 27, 1827.

More About Unknown Luhmann:
Cause of Death: Stillborn

xiv. Margaretha Magdalene Elisabeth Luhmann, b. April 15, 1829, Eichdorf, Germany; m. Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm PAGEL+, December 26, 1850.

More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Pagel:
Residence: Schutschur, Germany

Generation No. 7

7. Catharina Margaretha7 Luhmann (Johann Jurgen6, Jurgen Heinrich5, Valentin4, Jurgen3, Schwiebert2, Henning1) was born January 26, 1818 in Eichdorf, Germany, and died 1855 in Germany. She married Jurgen Heinrich Friedrich MEYER May 18, 1838 in Nahrendorf, Germany, son of Johann Meyer and Maria BEHRENS. He was born 29.11.1814 in Neetzendorf, Germany.

Notes for Jurgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer:
In 1845, Jurgen bought property in Oldendorf, and at the same time was employed as a game warden at the Royal Prussian game preserve in Roethen, for Kaiser Wilhelm I.

More About Jurgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer:
Occupation: Shepherd, Hausling, Park warden at Game Reserve Roethen

Children of Catharina Luhmann and Jurgen Meyer are:
i. Katharina Maria Elisabeth8 Meyer, b. October 24, 1839, Eichdorf, Germany.
ii. Unknown Meyer, b. December 21, 1840, Eichdorf, Germany; d. December 21, 1840, Eichdorf, Germany.

More About Unknown Meyer:
Cause of Death: Stillborn

iii. Katharina Margarethe Elisabeth Meyer, b. February 02, 1842, Eichdorf, Germany.
8. iv. Jurgen Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer+, b. October 07, 1843, Eichdorf, Germany; d. May 17, 1929, Greene County, Iowa.
v. Katharina Dorothea Elisabeth Meyer, b. September 12, 1845, Eichdorf, Germany.
vi. Maria Katharina Meyer, b. October 27, 1847, Oldendorf, Germany.
vii. Dorothea Elisabeth Meyer, b. October 15, 1849, Oldendorf, Germany.
9. viii. Jurgen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer+, b. December 09, 1851, Oldendorf, Germany; d. September 25, 1918, Lombard, Illinois.

Nebraska and Minnesota
+Additonal data about Martens tree.

More to come.

History is personal.

Welcome back. The weather has cooled slightly and has hints of snow or rain soon. I have been taking time out to clean out the flower beds before they get too far along, I won't easily accomplish the job.
In any case, Here I sit ready to share a little thought I have had on my mind while raking..

Have you ever read the flowery biographies in those community history books compiled by society members of the community. I have examples at the side in several blog rolls and links. I'll draw your attention to a few links. to illustrate the example. Notice how they freely told you how the pioneer stood on his politics. They told you if he was a Republican or Democrat. As if each person was very proud of those views or is the privilege of being able to say those opinions and stand out in the community and proudly proclaim their views. It was a big deal for our ancestors. I suppose it still is but in a different way.

And I as a reader about the individual, now has a clear picture of what the pioneer was all about. His personal and his public views.
Sometimes were lucky to have a few correspondences or our family where a political event or a personal opinion occurs that were pleased to find. Sometimes those views have been mentioned many time in family stories about the individual. It makes history of their day more personal, and of course History is personal.Our family pertain to it is interesting. Whether we personally agree or give it no real thought at all. But Understanding is the key.

I have realized, that and I wonder how much I want my descendants to know how we fall into the events or locality how I fit into the history as it is being made day by day. I at times, not even sure what I think some days. If eel a need to give my excuses, my views etc of why my life has been what it has been. To show my niche in this large world. Then again I keep so much of my thoughts and real feelings to myself. In fact when political advocates call me, I tell them my intentions and who I am going to vote for are private.

So I guess it is surprising that a few posts back, I published a view I had on a local politics and I wanted to open some eyes to the future efects if these events get ignored. It is surprising in a a lot of ways that it did reflect the worries I had, have. It is this kind of post I wanted to do to open some people eyes like a warning, because the Holocaust did not happen overnight.

After reviewing the Genea Bloggers code of conduct this week I realizeed it was inappropriate for I a Genea Blogger to publish Political views. Escpecially in the way I wrote that Post in an angry mode. So I removed it. I may write it in another way, if I want to express and give my excuses about this time and place in our lives. As I have said so far in different ways history has it's influence on our lives. Politics have an influence on our lives. I want my descendants who read any remaining blogs fifty years from now understand how the politics, and economy we have now influences our lives so much. They have to know how it caused depression and changes that we have to deal with personally each in our own ways. I am sure I can convey that differently than I did. perhaps informative and conveying more than one opinion. And if need be in another blog as suggested or simply someplace else..

History has it's influence on our lives. Politics have an influence on our lives. I want my descendants who read any remaining blogs fifty years from now understand how the politics, and economy we have now influences our lives so much. They have to know how it caused depression and changes that we have to deal with personally each in our own ways. I am sure I can convey that differently than I did. And if need be in another blog as suggested.

source of Genea Bloggers Code of conduct:

Name Translation during family history research is not awlays a good thing.

While I was working on a Reinecke family history of the hof 2 in Sueschendorf, I noticed while I was using a translator, there was some reversal involved in Names. I have to admit, I do proof my information before I publish it, but I very well could overlook that as I type something refering to the translated copy more than the original.

I noticed earlier someones name translated as Ground Pool. Now I will have to see just who has that name.
You may have noticed that the translator translates names and places so you have to contstantly check the German written article all along the way. I just like to understand as I go along.
So I am going to be aware and maybe back check with the original papers over the next months as I lay my hands on them.

In fact I remember one person had the name translated as decrement. How awful.

If you happen to notice some differences in the order of the names. please point them out to me.
You won't win a prize, well maybe my happy smile will that do.?


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