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Showing posts with label Sandern. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sandern. Show all posts

Sunday, October 10, 2010

A few Genealogy Irks / Thats like saying you can't have the chicken cause you have no egg.

Ten things you do in Genealogy that Irks me!
Post On the Negative With Slight Positive side!
Hah - rootdigger! no naming names!

[In order to know where your going; you have to know where you [they] have been]


1. People who make everything so private. So what if they are living. Not even a date or where they are from on the front page list. At least give a surname of a spouse. If you have just a tiny scrap bit of information alone, isolated to go on with your research, it is no help when you run across people like that. Once upon a time back, when I was at midstream I came across a name in my village and county areas of Iowa who had the same year as my Meyer. They even carried the Behrens and a Lichte names. [I was hoping for a Licht name.] I also had followed a Wilhelmina Meyer to Lowden, Iowa who had the background of Yoders. Possibly to it would have helped a search for a Heins/Sander/Meyer tree due to a reference on one line in a church record. I think it was. I thought the whole tree had been on line years before. I was trying to learn hopefully by a couple of quick glances to see the persons original location in Germany, would be all I needed. Imagine how much time - years- I would have saved, if I could have done so/ Instead My search had stopped then, and I suppose I thought I could take it up later. The woman did not give me the password because I was not related. That's like saying you can't have the chickens cause you have no egg. [yes it's grrr. My attitude will take time to heal] [ But, thankfully others are in the same tree!!]

2. They have everything about the family in United states, but nothing about where they are from in the old country. Even a hint or suspect location would help. Maybe you could tell us if you have tried to look.

3. They have everything about the family in the 'old country', but nothing much about American descendants. [me arootdigger, I am very guilty] If they all died off, tell me.

4. They have done the work, but don't list good enough sources intenional or unintentional, so you can pick it up yourself to see if they are related without having to start from the very start. [Am I guilty too?]

5. They have an obvious error in location spelling and they fail to supply the real spelling.They are hurting themselves in that omission. How are your future relatives going to pick you out of the web of millions of words and associations, if you have an error in location. I would never have gotten anywhere, if I had not learned it was Oldendorf an der Goehrde, not Oldenburg. Your working on the assumption that everyone is getting a referral to this site by yourself. Ask yourself this: What is the point of the site. Is it to gain current unknowns or simply inform those relatives you already have by exact known connection.

6. No points to myself, but it helps if you use Umlauts. After all, it helps tags get picked up. I did use them on a standard keyboard, but not so much now. I should do it again .

I read that titles in white is not picked up by the crawlers, now I have read that it is. I figure why take a chance and I love light blue and pink anyway?

7. At the message boards they only have one post listed under their name. I am not sure if it is by design or if they quit after that. It makes you wonder if their email will even work. It sure gives no clues to anything about the family. Perhaps they knew everything else?

8. Kind of the same but slightly different. Some fail to say locations and give only name and date, and so you have to further click or even roam all over finding where they came from or the oldest known person of that tree original location and date. [A Bonus would be the youngest] We all have our brick wall people that we hope to find, even by chance clicks. It sure would help if they post those right off visible from the start.

9. Get your password out there, so it is easily found in places you expect. skip the @ button if you want. A button; a link in profile. Don't make me hunt it, I'll probably give up and maybe go back. But my attitude is already negative towards you.

10. Other people who get irked because they assume you have not done your homework and take a post and time to tell you so. I have gotten information in church records that are simple one liners, and I follow up by a quick browse at a few chosen places, which may include posts at forums and message boards just to see the lay of it all, so to speak. So Perhaps it is not doing the homework, but what could you do else in research of American sources once you have checked census and other historical documentation about a isolated orphan name, but if all it takes is one quick question to ask where that person was from, why not. You have to give graciously as good as you get. I have many Irons in the fire that I haven't gotten to yet. And sometimes a post is right there in front of you. Often a census will say Germany or Hannover and that tells you squat. Further more, some people think Hannover kingdom is spelled Hanover. It is my understanding that the city is called Hanover. [ If I am wrong feel free to pinch me] So I to take a little more of my time and investigate their definition of Hanover/ Hannover before I disregard them. If they only knew to at least include some thing to clarify. say city or something so I know it is all over Hannover not one little city. And I won't start on the use of Prussia.

What did I forget?? Oh come on, you have some! Be sure to add some in the comments. I probably agree with them. Or am extremely guilty of them!

I have to remind myself that yes these people could still be my relatives. You can't choose your relatives they say, like you can your friends. However, they can choose to acknowledge you or not?? [This is not as good as it gets - rootdigger!]

As I was told, the data is hard to find as it is, why make it harder for the next one to find it.

Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Even Information From Church Can Foul You Up.


One must be on guard. Even information from the church can be later said to be untrue.
It happened in this case.
I had received information or confirmation of the marriage of My Maria Dorothea Heins and my Jurgen Hch. Wilhelm Meyer at Oldendorf parish Nahrendorf. I also had some records through Dahlenburg archives. I wrote to the church and had asked for more information on the other Heins and Meyer. I was told it was incorrect after all. Now I still wonder more about the families and the other surnames. I think I should still write them and ask more about the mentioned Meyer families in that Document. There is always one more to learn about.
Here is part of a letter I wrote about it to a fellow genealogist a few years back.
I got one new record this week while gone about supposedly the Catharina Heins. Maria's sister. .

Meyer, Johann Juergen Friedrich [ M ] ev 06,08,1842 Nahrendorf and ~ 1842 Nahrendorf 1st marriage: 17,03,1865 Nahrendorf excerpt from the trusting register ev. luth. Church municipality Nahrendorf NR. 4/1865 Meyer, Johann Juergen Friedrich, unverehelichter Hauswirthssohn in Nahrendorf, geb. the 6ten August 1842 in Nahrendorf, parents: Hauswirth Johann Heinrich Christoph Meyer in Nahrendorf and its wife Catharine Elizabeth born Sandern, with Heins, Johanne Catharine, unverehelicht in Dreylingen, Parochie Eimke, geb. the 4ten November 1845 in Dreylingen, parents: House and Gastwirth Johann Heinrich Friedrich Heins in Dreylingen and its wife Catharine Marie born Mueller, angebl. future residence Nahrendorf.

Quantities to Eimke and Nahrendorf the 5ten and 12ten March 1865, getr. to Nahrendorf seventeenth March 1865 HEINS, Johanne Catharine [ F ] ev * 04,11,1845 Dreilingen = Eimke

Our further investigations have resulted in that Johanne Catharine Heins, from which we had found so far only the dying entry was not a child of the married couple Heins/Hencke in Kreutzen, but the married couple Heins/Mueller in Dreilingen. We corrected the master sheets accordingly.

So there is not the sister Catharine married to another Meyer................ one less thing to look for. Now I am curious about the other meyers mentioned. they probably belong to jonas

Sandern was capitalized and translation took capitalization away.


This does not lead me any closer to knowledge of Henke or Heins siblings. Surely there is more than just Maria Dorothea Heins and her brother. And I have no proof of that either.

I am also interested in the surname Sandmeier since I saw it on the Meyer, Behrens, Schultzen, Rappaul, Ulrich tree records. I have had a interest in Sanders too.

Comments: The closest I could come to this is that I did find a tree by Russel Duenow. I have found traces of his tree to I think Lowden, Iowa. I'll have to see if I can russel up an old letter or research I did on it at one time. I saw some information, but nothing that tied to my Heins. Unless He had remarried.

Most of you probably know that the church often adds that 'n' to a woman's name. I should see sometimes why they did that. Anyone know? I saw Meyern and Schultzen in past records. Silly me, I even looked at ancestry for them.

Could this family have anything to do with my Heins prescence at Oldendorf. My Heins had to be members of the Nahrendorf church if they rented and lived there. I mean these people were traditionally a religious family, so they would attend the church. I have record of another Heins possible brother to Maria Heins. living in another village. I hadn't asked for further records of any of them. I should. In order to obtain those records I need to contact the Dannenberg church or the Nahrendorf church. *I am wondering now as I write here, what went on with the Heins at Oldendorf area after the Meyer family Immigrated.

The part that was untrue was that this Heins woman was my Heins [ Heinz] sister.

The part I have mixed feelings about is that this is yet another J. Juergen Friedrich Meyer to the list I have about families unknown that I would like to know more about. [If I only had the money!!]

I think too maybe with the resources out there that I should be able to fine more on this family. Perhaps Heinrich Porth has a book that might cover this family location, Eimke and Dreylingen? You think??? I am not sure why I have found two spellings for Dreylingen.I know the translations are a laugh, but it sure helps make the progress faster. I dislike how it can translate a surname and the names of villages. And funny at the same time. Some times there is a persons name that translates to excrement. I just feel sympathy and wonder about the names origin.

Well that's all for the day. Good luck on your searches. Don't get paranoid now, I am sure that your church records are just fine!

just me jo

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