Friday, April 30, 2010
In the mean time there is so much to do to day, and then Hubbie tells me I have to do something for his mother at noon that I had not planned on. And mostly, I am wishing I could be out in the garden. Oh well, I know it's a good thing, and I am only wishing to be out in the garden.
When I get back here to the puter,
- I would like to explore the idea of blogging from Facebook, I haven't figured out how it is done. I am considering that under a different email account. [ Away from my Farmville game]
- I would like to see if I can widen the writing area or stretch the area by changing a template of a blog. Mostly because I would like to have a wider writing area. More about that later.
- I need to tell you about my blogs anniversary or birthday on May third.
Until then, have a nice weekend.
just me jo
Wednesday, April 28, 2010
Mike Lodes has gathered so much information about the Lodes family. I am so grateful for his generous nature of sharing it with the Peter's family.
I am sorry to admit that I have not shared it with all of you since it is the maternal side of Peters, except for the Burger family. It seems that the tree traces back to Wenzel Werber Lodes born 1806 In Bohemia See below. If you remember I mentioned briefly before that I drove to Greene and Calhoun county Iowa by first driving through Mallard Iowa and then Pochahontas county. I was looking for a cemetery as I drove through the tiny village of Mallard Iowa. But I was late for an important date at Pochahontas, Pochahontas county Iowa. So I could spend no more time there. I had forgotten too of the possibility of their religion being catholic ore even Methodist as some Peters are.
His son has the exact name and was born 1843.
The following excerpt from our Peters Relative Gouchenour.
The deceased Wenzel Werber Lodes was born at Habakladrua, Austria, December 8th, 1843. He was united in marriage to Miss Anna Steiner at Habakladrua in the year 1865. To this union six children were born, all of whom survive him. They are F, J.Lodes of Inglewood, Calif., A. F. Lodes. of Madella, Minn., Mesdames John Schuller. J. J. Namer, T. J. Dawson and J. P. Ruppert, all of this vicinity. The three children were born in Austria and came to this country with their parents in December, 1873 and located in Wisconsin. In the year 1879 they settled on the homestead north of Mallard.
Wenzel Werber Lodes [Sr.]
- Born *5 Oct 1806 Habakladrau No. 36, Bohemia, Austria Died Mallard, Palo Alto, Iowa
Maria Anna Wurtinger 1820 in Messhalsen Muhle, Bohemia, Austria.
- Died + in Maybe Mallard Iowa or in Charlesburg Cemetery in Chilton, Wisconsin My Line flows down through Anthony. I know he has labeled his pictures very tiny, but you can still make out Anthony I think at the far right.
Monday, April 26, 2010
If you were to survive another ship going down like the Titantic or some modern day ship awaiting disaster, what would you grab at the last minute in a hurry. I am not sure what possessions I might have with me in the year 1912. But in another ship facing disaster in the present day time slot; I can only hope I would be more organized in my few possesions than I am now and could find it that fast. One person went with her tooth brush and a prayer book. Another had a card on him from a game.
In this scenario I am sure I am traveling alone with no family members with me thus I only have myself to worry about and no baby thrust upon me as I climb into a rescue boat.
I do know of course that survival is utmost in my head, and I of course would be so scared. After all I would still have at home first my family and second all my unfinished work at home and no one there who would want to finish it, but me. If I were not to survive, I would only hope, I have all my scraps filed and recorded, blogged [ ahh hah]
I am sure in this imaginary scenario I am the perfect genealogist ready at any moment to add all the layers of clothing necessary with manuscripts that have to be saved wadded up in those clothing somehow. It surely would add as insulation and hopefully not a burdensome extra weight should I end up in the water. If modern day scenario, I am sure like many others we would be clutching our laptops in our small light weight travel bag that we threw it in next to our medication,money, credit card, comb and toothbrush and jewels.
If I had no means to save my papers, I would hope I had the foresight to put the few most important in an empty bottle and cork the thing, so that it would stay air tight and float and be preserved. Perhaps by this date all ship rooms come with containers that seal up air tight and float. Would I, Should I have put my papers in their vault?
I would be Hopeing of course that who ever were to find it had an appreciation of the importance of my or any ones family history. I can only wonder where a sealed bottle would end up in an sea of ice bergs. If it had to be destroyed my only hope is it would help someones fire as it was being destroyed and thus maybe saving ones life, which would be better than just dissolve into nothing. [ Which is what material in internet world can do too.]
I can only hope I don't have my laptop and my genealogy papers with me. If I did, I can only hope everything is backed up on my computer which is not yet done. I certainly hope that what ever material or information I had gained; that I would have taken every spare moment to file the information somehow before moving on with normal life. If everything is backed up as it should be to other sources off this precious laptop; should I even bother trying to save my laptop.
Then again, if I were to be left behind on that boat with a few hours left, I suppose I would sit somewhere and review my material. Maybe stuff a few messages and thoughts in some bottles. Or if moments of time to spare to use it to record a few more things of those nature, especially messages to my family on my hard drive. [ And say my prayers and give thanks for the life I have had.]
Due to the fact that my Seil grandmothers managed to successfully keep the name of Annie's father a secret all the way to their grave; I say this, that if I had any major genealogy secrets that I wish to keep to myself, I can only hope that I had made measures that no one else would ever find it or know it. I am not sure if the information would be coded into my computer with a code only I know, or if it would be necessary to have it written anywhere. Perhaps by this date, it would have been discarded and removed. If it is permanently on my hard drive, more than likely they would not care anyway to see what was on little old jo's hard drive. [But look at all the interest they have had in each person who was aboard the Titantic.]
What crosses my mind is that this ship riding may be from somewhere I had gained some valuable information, and that is what worries me. Did I take steps to record the new information where it could be retrieved elsewhere once I landed home, if I were to lose my computer on the way home. Would it be in paper form. If I were a worry wort over my work I manage to smuggle with me on that little boat, they just might throw me overboard, if I were a pain. And ohhh I do hope I shut up about my latest genealogy dig. Or I don't ask them their name and go into a head long tail spin about their surname and locations.
If the newspaper accounts say that Jo Meyer was sure a quiet person, you will certainly know why I had to keep quiet, lest I be tempted to babble on or ask too many questions.
I could just possibly have bored them at sometime on ship and then I get left behind..........They could say "ohhh gosh let's take someone else, all she does is talk about those ancestors of hers or what she found in Luneburg. I just couldn't listen to her for twenty four hours on this little boat"
Oh, I am sure I would be the perfect little old Genea Blogger genealogist calm, collected with just what I need as I board my lifeboat, welcomed by them into their boat, willing to row, and share and help the others, even take that baby as we make our way to survival. [And wouldn't it be wonderful if by chance some companion on that boat just happened to be just the relative I was hoping to discover.]
Psst!: If I and everyone else has a computer, what with email, twitter and instant message, we can send messages for help and we will all be saved anyway. Or I suppose that the ships are equipped to send out messages of the up most modern methods for our safety. With satellight pictures and waves and other means. But it was fun anyway, deciding how to survive all intact.
I had used some maps to clearly understand where Bellevue was in Washington and learned that it was in the county of King. I had the links I had received in my comments to pursue. I was ready to close the page, but since it was still open, why not run one more search with the word Seil. I might have received William's brother Kenneth. after using that search word with the others. Which I will save for later.
Then I thought Well why not run the word Titantic. If Bill resided there and was even a journalist, would not the paper introduce him as the author he was.
My first strike was not bad for a first strike. It was actually about the fact that six passengers aboard the Titantic were from King county Washington. ahhh, Now doesn't that help explain why William Seil of Bellevue Washington might know a lot about the ship in order to maintain a novel which takes place on the ship. He maybe knew someone who knew someone, etc and did an investigation.
The ship sank about ten / eleven days ago of this month in the year 1912. Sadly it took with them so many undeserving passengers who could find no room for them in a Rescue boats.
Men gallantly let the woman and children go.
Those six families the article states:
-William Harbeck, Seattle resident, moving picture producer and cameraman, was on the Titanic as its official filmmaker. He had filmed the progress of Seattle’s regrading project on Denny Hill, as well as the 1909 Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition.Okay, Okay , these are not clues to his family history. If I have identified his family according to the fact that he might have been born in Washington, his father is Adam E. Seil and his mother Elinor. Luckily I have contacted someone at Ancestry who seems to be well acquainted with Seil of Washington state. They are checking to see if any of the family wrote a book.
-Hugh R. Rood lived in Seattle and served as Vice President and General Manager of the Pacific Creosoting Company, a firm that creosoted pilings to protect them from shipworms
-Herman Klaber was a King County businessman known as the “hop king” because he operated the largest hop business in America, providing the main ingredient for beer.
-The Brown family, including Thomas Solomon William Brown, a real estate investor in Cape Town, South Africa, his wife Elizabeth Catherine Brown, and daughter Edith Eileen Brown. They were traveling to Seattle to visit a sister, Mrs. Josephine Acton, and possibly to live here..........................................................................................................................................
Elizabeth Brown and her daughter Edith were among those who got into lifeboats and were saved. After mother and daughter arrived in Seattle, Elizabeth Brown told her story to a Seattle Post-Intelligencer reporter.
I have actually seen the book, I wish I had gotten it, I shall have to find the publishing date.
I must admit it is a tough task to begin with out a birth date at all. Only a location and then to find out they were a journalist in Illinois. He could actually be born anywhere. It is a wild goose chase based on assumptions at first.
I happened to see this list of passengers for the state of N. Jersey.This is evidently a valuable encyclopedia just for Titantica.
Just think of the stories or Novels that could be written.
What is your reaction after seeing the movie or reading a novel of survival of the tradegy.
What is your reaction after hearing some men survived? The last link states the problems resulted from having survived the ordeal.
To welcome home:
Sunday, April 25, 2010
Mother was creative, there is no doubt about it she had the drive. One of her favorite things was to have just the right thing you were looking for in your need. She herself, knew how to make do. Often times she had just the right clipping of how to do it with some odd object. She knew how to make something out of nothing. She tried to make things out of scraps of this and that. In today's world a craft of making scrapbooks, quilts and rugs is art. And that is how my mother looked at it. Even though these scraps of clothing given to her by others for such a task could have been just thrown together just to make do, that was not the way my mother dealt with it. She collected the pieces a good long time, before she began. She made making do an art of itself.
Again you see the image of my mothers keepsake. You have to remember that my parents lost many other things in their house fire of 1946, which could have been my keepsakes. Since my mother wasn't that close to her mother in those early marriage years, I am sure other family gifts were not coming that frequently or cherished as much as you would think one might. Since she grew up in real poverty, I doubt there were many keepsakes to have. Whatever, there was were probably long given away to the other siblings. My mother was the youngest. [I must add though, that my mother was close and fond of her mothers sister Theresa McMullen, who was you might say a real character.]
My mothers father died at her young age, and I suppose, if she had anything that remotely linked to her father, it would be special to her. [I think maybe that the crocheted heart had a link to her father in her mind] She really did grow up in hard times. In fact they lost her twin [Sybella] infant sister in those depression years in Yankton, South Dakota. If Sylvia too had pneumonia she managed to survive it as the youngest daughter. Times were very hard for her widowed mother with the children, Bill, Ray, Clarence, Arneida, Thelma, Wilma, Sylvia, and Vernon. So much so that they had to join a relative in Pennington county, in northern Minnesota. They had to work hard and they had to go without as well as make do.
Probably like you, I heard so many casual remarks from my mother about the tough times at Goodridge Minnesota as she demonstrated remnant actions of the past. [Saving scraps of paper, fabric or other things.] Many people of her past were brought to my mind from time to time during my childhood. Most of her stories or phrases seem to be forgotten, until some little moment a bit of a story or a phrase pops into my head and out of my mouth or through my fingers. [Do you know how that is?]
And I being a loyal daughter [not always] have kept it for her. Being a loyal daughter I have kept her small crocheted rugs. Just as I have my fathers small pieces of china and some of his bears. Being a good daughter with her genes, I have kept mothers philosophy and the creativity going.
A few days ago, I said mother did not know how to crotchet unless it was edging. It was something she had told me, when I was real small and wanted something crotchted for my dolls. Well she did know, maybe it was learned later, as you see proof here in the photo above of one of her rugs that she made from scrap clothing. Her special thing was to make these and even smaller ones that would fit on her rounded seatof her kitchen chairs that you see in the photograph below.
In earlier years or my younger years she taught herself how to make braided rugs. Her inspiration was a old brown braided rug that someone had given her. Sometimes some pull apart over the years, and that causes people to discard it, or put it aside to be fixed later. I don't remember moms falling apart.
Have you ever taken a package of wild flower seed and just scattered it around an area and let chance control your garden design. Sometimes that is how it would be, when you have boxes of many strips of material sewn together like a long chord. As each color gets crocheted around and around it is almost by chance where one color will land next to another.
She passed down this love of creation in so many ways. I myself wanted to select arrange patterns, textures colors, into design in the garden and in my home. I have to admit that I had a terrible time trying to arrange these rugs somewhere where they would fit in with my colors. It was a hard task for me.
Of course one can spread that package of wild seed out on a plate and look and separate the seeds one from another and sow it one selection at a time. And semi plan it a tiny bit. I would say mother did that. Even though they were scraps, she waited until she had the colors and a plan to begin. After the first rug or two, she had an eye view of knowledge; she knew where to place her colors and patterns.
It was a life long ambition with her, this creativity process. She planned and made many quilts, which she made by cutting the pieces the old way, Sewing them the old way. I would bet that the feeling of creating them for her, I think may have been most of the fun. Or maybe the fun was when she just gave them away to someone who admired them. She tried the crazy quilt, she did the random squares in her last years of quilting.
She also put this love of selection of color, line and texture into her garden. My brother said he would see her standing by her shovel studying her garden on some of her gardening days. As all creative gardeners do.
Now I have told you that she made rugs and quilts from scraps of clothing given to her by many people. As an artist she used another medium. I can picture in my mind to this day the few rugs my mother made out of bread bags. She and her loyal friends would save bread bags and a few other plastic bags until my creative mother made a crocheted rug. She was very proud of it too, and I must say when I see others in the blogosphere, I get a knowing smug attitude and I think and often say, my creative mom did that along time ago.
Thursday, April 22, 2010
This has come a long ways from what it was. Originally it had a sateen like heart on the inside all blotched with stains [ smile] Ripped as well, so I removed that.
You can see it has been damaged by black something like ink. I don't recall exactly what it was on it, I think paint. I tried to remove it with paint thinner immediately, but I suspect it was set in good that day. I was afraid I might remove the pink color, so I quit. I remember the day it happened so quick as I was painting a dresser. One of those dumb moves that didn't have to happen. I'd have better off not to spread it and leave the stain in the small spot it was. [smile]
I love the color of it and the fact that it was from my Mothers side of the family. I shall probably keep it even as it is. I think maybe her mother an aunt or sisters gave it to her.
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
I can't say enough about this site. There are quite a few sites that reveal the many diggings that go on in this area of Germany. I first heard of it from a work buddy many years ago. Her family were from Riecklingen and since Dahlenburg, Bleckede and Thomasburg by Radenbeck were pretty close in the Luneburg stadt. So I began to look into it. There are other sites about excavation and the digging. Luneburg was an old salt area which drew in trading people. Sure enough many diggings have been done through out my Ancestors locations. Slowly I began to learn more of the area and those who came before my ancestors.
It certainly helps when media covers your ancestors areas.
I actually have thoroughly enjoyed reading here about megalithic structures. It doesn't cover just Germany, but the world. The site is wonderfully helpful. It offers you several opportunities to search for other areas in your region that might offers more in your towns and cities.
Comment : I noticed one at the Nahrendorf area too.
Monday, April 19, 2010
Familiendatenbank Bad BevensenFamilienbericht Currently not working
Carl Bernhard KORN
* 30.10.1787 in Gronau
+ 19.10.1858 in Groß Thondorf
Datum für geboren berechnet!
begraben: 22 OCT 1858
Wohnort : Groß Thondorf
Handelsmann, Zinngießer, Kesselflicker
* 1778 in Ahrenstedt
+ 06.05.1831 in Groß Thondorf
oo vor 1814 in
KORN, Johann Ferdinand * 1814, + 1865
KORN, Maria Theresia * 1815, + 1822 in Groß Thondorf
KORN, Carl August * 1819 and + 1822 in Gross Thondorf
KORN, Carl August Friedrich * 1823, + 1876
KORN, Heinrich Jacob * 1825, + 1867
KORN, Johann Heinrich Christian * 1828 in Groß Bemerkungen
Johann Heirnich Christian
Catharine Maria Margaretha FRANCK
* 18.12.1828 in Himbergen
getauft: 21 DEC 1828, getauft in Himbergen
Konfirmation: 09 APR 1843 Himbergen wohnort: Westersunderberg
It lists her Parents as Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Frank CULEMAN and her mother as Catharina Elisabeth FRAMKE and all her siblings. It seems the story stops there. I clicked the parents and it did not go further back.
No further children are listed either.
Feel free to click the title for the link. Or the link that I have provided.
Comment : I am sure that all the KORN family you saw in the earlier posting is correctly displayed here. the only spouse shown for the kinder is for Johann Heinrich Christian KORN.
I Knew of course this site featured the church books information on the families. of the Bergen area of Celle. Soltau area and many others. I just did not know Bevensen had information too. I am sure you will want to check on your surnames there. I love the pages that tell you where they died. And where some of them were born coming into Bevensen.
If some one was born at Dahlenburg, Bostelwiebeck, and Bohlsen. You can find out who by clicking on the place of birth. I clicked Bostelwiebeck and saw a surname that I find very little on these days. Uhlrich with connections to Burmester and Barge. It keeps getting better and better,with the surnames - Klip, Luhr, etc.
I have got to stop. it is in German, but if you are concerned with choices look to your left column and go back and forth and experiment a little.
You don't really have to have English, . though, I believe it is an option.
Good luck and have fun!
It's your turn.
I did run into many interesting aricles with the names and other places in Glarus Switzerland, and other surnames from Canton Glarus Switzerland settling in Wisconsin.
There were actually quite a few in Jo Davies county. It is not surprising too how much interactions of settlers in Galena and those of Wsconin that I have read about in this last month.
Now lets get to the surprising information in this article.
[Click my title for more of the article link] This article is useful for recognizing a Swiss surname. It told of Swiss surnames and gave examples. . It mentioned that names looked like ordinary German names like Schmidt, Schenck, and Siebbenthal, proven Swiss immigrants, who mixed in with German settlers who were not of Swiss origin.
Certain names are good indicators, such as Camille, Aristides, and Arieste, especially when combined with French-sounding last names. Also notable is the French use of the same first name for several sons in the family so that in the Dufours we have John (Jean) Jacques, John Francis, and John Ami with the Mottiers, John David, J?? The use of Frederick and Francis (often as John Frederick and John Francis, likewise often point toward French or Swiss origin..I have seen this practice of putting the wife's maiden name in the sons name in my family line and I had not took it for Swiss back ground. I am going to have to look into those I have seen in my family,
Another Swiss naming custom is worthy to note, because it affected how names were reported in records. The Swiss typically add the wife's maiden name to the husband's name, and vice versa. So Vincent Daniel Dufour Blanc was a son of John James (Jean Jacques) Dufour who married a woman surnamed Blanc. Perret Dufour pointed to Zelim Humbert-Droz as another example.
However, this may not have been a good example since Humbert-Droz has been a Swiss name for hundreds of years. The other instance was Louis Gex Oboussier. Since Perret Dufour said Louis was the brother-in-law of Luke Oboussier it means that Louis Gex married Oboussier's sister.
It is apparent that there were German-speakers from France, often from Alsace-Lorraine, who passed through Switzerland on their way to the United States and that many of these were Catholic, while most of the French-speakers were Protestant. But is very difficult to sort out all of these
different streams. I left some doubtful cases in this list.
You might find other interesting tidbits in the article, so go ahead and browse it yourself.
One article refered to Dunn co. Wi where my Jungk family resided. I think sometimes we have to consider the occupation the immigrant wishes to pursue. Or if finally able to afford a farm where did they find the land available for their purchase according to their change in their pocket. Pursuing the message board of the area at rootsweb and at Ancestry i have noted quite a few Swiss who had also settled into Buffalo county. Maybe some day, I can pursue some similarities of origin there too.
Thanks for stopping by for todays meanderings. I made a few notes of other things I saw, which just as easily can flow accross your screen by the same kind of browsing. Happy reading.
just me jo.
Sippenbuch1 Beusch, Juergen Heinrich Friedrich, Haeusling
Korn, Kathrine Marie,
2 Brunswieck, Johann Christoph, Dienstknecht, 01.10.1838 Almstorf, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 09.10.1838 Himbergen
22.04.1867 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Korn, Catharina Dorothea Sophia,
3 Carlsson, Nils Johann, Haeusling, Historie des Ehemanns: evt ein Schwede?,
15.11.1885 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Korn, Catharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth,
Franck, Catharina Maria Margaretha, «11», 18.12.1828 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.12.1828 Himbergen
1) Franck, Juergen Heinrich Friedrich, 19.08.1851 Westersunderberg Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 24.08.1851 Himbergen, 08.05.1852 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 10.05.1852 Himbergen
5 Korn, Franziskus, Musketier, vor 1833
Hartmann, Johanne Maria
1) Korn, Carl Bernhard, «6», «7», err. 30.10.1787 Gronau bei Hildesheim, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 19.10.1858 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, 22.10.1858 Himbergen
6 Korn, Carl Bernhard, Zinngiesser und Kesselflicker,
1) vor 1814
Culeman, Elisabeth, err. 1778 Ahrenstedt Amt Windenstedt bei Hildesheim, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 06.05.1831 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, 09.05.1831 Himbergen, Historie der Ehefrau: war roemisch katholischer Religion
1) Korn, Johann Ferdinand, «8», 03.04.1814 Everode Amt Winzenburg, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 11.11.1865 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 14.11.1865 Himbergen
2) Korn, Maria Theresa, 1815, 18.07.1822 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.07.1822 Himbergen
3) Korn, Carl August, 09.11.1819 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 10.11.1819 Himbergen, 26.07.1822 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 28.07.1822 Himbergen
4) Korn, Carl August Friedrich, «9», 25.03.1823 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 18.07.1876 Westersunderberg Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.07.1876 Himbergen
5) Korn, Heinrich Jacob, «10», err. 1825 Drage, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 30.01.1867 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 02.02.1867 Himbergen
6) Korn, Johann Heinrich Christian, «11», 14.07.1828 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 15.07.1828 Himbergen
7 Korn, Carl Bernhard, Zinngiesser und Kesselflicker,
2) 26.12.1833 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Hostman, (Hofman), Sophia Frederika Henrietta, 1801 Gnausen bei Erfurt, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 25.09.1859 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 28.09.1859 Himbergen
1) Korn, Juergen Wilhelm, 27.01.1834 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 28.01.1834 Himbergen, 28.01.1834 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 30.01.1834 Himbergen
2) Korn, Catharina Elisabeth, «12», 09.04.1835 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 12.04.1835 Himbergen
3) Korn, Maria Dorothea, 27.12.1837 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 30.12.1837 Himbergen, 06.12.1843 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 09.12.1843 Himbergen
8 Korn, Johann Ferdinand, Zinngiesser und Kesselflicker,
1841 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Schmidt, Sophia Frederica, 08.09.1822 Westersunderberg Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 08.09.1822 Himbergen, Historie der Ehefrau: konfirmiert 1836 in Himbergen
1) Korn, Juergen Heinrich Wilhelm, «13», 21.09.1840 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 22.09.1840 Himbergen
2) Korn, Catharina Dorothea Sophia, «2», 02.12.1842 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 07.12.1842 Himbergen
3) Korn, Catharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth, «14», «17», «15», «3», 01.03.1845 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 09.03.1845 Himbergen
4) Korn, Friedrich Ferdinand Carl, 15.04.1849 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 18.04.1849 Himbergen, 24.02.1853 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 27.02.1853 Himbergen
5) Korn, Jürgen Heinrich, «16», 18.05.1851 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.05.1851 Himbergen
6) Korn, Johann Heinrich Ferdinand, 02.08.1853 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 07.08.1853 Himbergen, konfirmiert 28.04.1867 in Himbergen
7) Korn, Kathrine Marie Elisabeth, «18», 31.05.1856 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 03.06.1856 Himbergen, 14.10.1887 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 16.10.1887 Himbergen
8) Korn, Kathrine Marie, «1», 06.10.1858 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 13.10.1858 Himbergen
9) Korn, August Heinrich Wilhelm Ferdinand, 25.04.1862 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 01.05.1862 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 05.05.1862 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, 07.05.1862 Himbergen
10) Korn, Catharine Margarethe, 02.08.1864 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 04.08.1864 Himbergen, 12.08.1864 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 14.08.1864 Himbergen
9 Korn, Carl August Friedrich,
01.03.1846 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Gerstenkorn, Catharina Maria, 21.03.1815 Brockhimbergen Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 22.03.1815 Himbergen, das Ehepaar hatte 5 Kinder
10 Korn, Heinrich Jacob,
Brechen, Anna Magdalena, 25.06.1820 Dorfmark, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, Historie der Ehefrau: das Ehepaar hatte 2 Kinder
11 Korn, Johann Heinrich Christian,
05.02.1854 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Franck, Catharina Maria Margaretha, «4», 18.12.1828 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.12.1828 Himbergen
Korn, Catharina Elisabeth,
1) Korn, Friedrich Wilhelm, 29.07.1855 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 05.08.1855 Himbergen, konfirmiert 1869 in Himbergen
13 Korn, Juergen Heinrich Wilhelm, Zinngiesser,
12.03.1865 Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen
Schroetke, Catharina Dorothea, 03.06.1836 Klein Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 06.06.1836 Himbergen, 31.12.1895 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 03.01.1896 Himbergen, das Ehepaar hatte 7 Kinder
Korn, Catharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth,
1) Korn, Katharine Dorothee, 22.03.1871 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 25.03.1871 Himbergen
Korn, Catharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth,
1) Korn, Katharina Maria Dorothea, 10.01.1883 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 21.01.1883 Himbergen
16 Korn, Jürgen Heinrich, Boettcher,
Pijas, Catharina Dorothea, 08.03.1849 Timmeitz, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, Ehepaar hatte 2 Kinder
17 Seil, August Friedrich Wilhelm, Dienstknecht, Historie des Ehemanns:
Korn, Catharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth,
1) Seil, Marie Elisabeth, 04.12.1872 Gross Thondorf Ksp Himbergen, Quelle: OFB Himbergen, 26.12.1872 Himbergen
18 Tiele, Heinrich Adolph Friedrich Georg, Dienstknecht
Korn, Kathrine Marie Elisabeth,
Notice 1 : This means she was sepparated from Her husband Seil and the word geschieden means divorce according to a translator.
Be sure to check the information for Lizzies birth and her parents August Friedrich Wilhelm SEIL marriage to Katharina Dorothea Maria Elisabeth KORN
Sunday, April 18, 2010
I'd like to share the first Documents of that family that I received. I regret that I just never got around to writing for more information on that Seil family because we were interested to know if there were brothers and sisters of August Wilhelm Seil. And if there others of his parents families in that Bleckede area. I was really interested to know where the family came from before Dahlenburg. Family had him down from Hildesheim where the Korn family originated. So those are still unanswered questions for possible future stories.
I may have told you before about confirmation of Lizzies being August's daughter and information of her birth came through the book of Heinrich Porth a little later. [See note 1]
This letter is important to determine that August did marry Lizzies mother. We only had heard that Lizzie was a result of an affair. His marriage in Iowa to Anna Vogel stated that it was his first marriage. Tom Vogel had his Chezchslovackian translator translate this church document for us as well as the translator I used too. He was interested as well, because it was his relative, Anna Vogel, whom our William married. My understanding of this church document is low. I am not sure if that document that follows is a dissolvement or divorce. I just don't know what it is. [As you read the story of Lizzie you saw that I posted the information I got from Gross Thondorf on her birth and her parents marriage]. But it was after that, that both parents of Lizzies remarried.
I had a copy of this document which I typed out in one of my old emails that I sent from one email to another in 2005 which I used to send to others. It holds an " enlightenment" for all us descendants of Elizabeth Seil in more ways than one.
I got a little data on Meyer, Seil, Korn, Heins, Henke, and
Luhman, Behrens, Reinecke Lusman from the church of dahlenburg. You
want more info, I can copy and send. I have gone two above J.H.
Friedrich Meyer now.
The parisher said he didn't have time for more.
I am so greedy, I still wonder what more they have. Now I wonder
how much I should send for donation. They never requested any. I
have sent 20 + already. Also, I maybe can write later and request
information on the remarriage and get the stepsisters names.
the translation site give me Rope instead of Seil. and not sure how
nut/mother gets there and there may be other names translated that
I did not pick up.
Seil, August Friedrich Wilhelm (M) ev
* 30.05.1848 Dahlenburg
~ 04.06.1848 Dahlenburg
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 40/1848 - Dahlenburg-
Seil, August Friedrich Wilhelm, geboren den dreißigsten Mai
(30.Mai), getauft den vierten Juni (4. Juni) Vater: Johann Jürgen
Heinrich Seil, ein Schäfer, Mutter: Ilse Marie geb. Brookmann.
Gev.: Jürgen Heinrich Lange und Georg August Ohlmeiers.
Seil, August Friedrich William (m) ev
* 30,05,1848 Dahlenburg
~ 04.06.1848 Dahlenburg
Single dump from the baptismal register ev. luth. Church
NR. 40/1848 - Dahlenburg-
Seil, August Friedrich William, born thirtieth May (30.Mai),
baptized fourth June (4 June) father: Johann Juergen Heinrich Seil,
a shepherd, nut/mother: Ilse Marie geb. Brookmann. Gev.: Jürgen
Heinrich Lange and for George August Ohlmeiers.
1. Ehe :
~ 10.03.1872 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
SEIL, August Friedrich Wilhelm, unverehelichter Schäfer zu
Nüdlitz, geb. d. 30. Mai 1848 zu Dahlenburg, Eltern: Schäfer
Johann Jürgen Heinrich Seil zu Dahlenburg und dessen Ehefrau Ilse
Marie geborene Brookmann, mit Korn, Katharine Dorothea Marie
Elisabeth, unverehelichte Dienstmagd zu Nüdlitz, geb. den 1. Mäarz
1845 zu Groß Thondorf, Eltern: Zinngießer Heinrich Ferdinand Korn
zu Groß Thondorf und dessen Ehefrau Sophie Friederika geb Schmidt.
Tage des Aufgebots: den 3. und 10. März 1872 zu Nahrendorf, getr.
den zehnten März 1872.
Nachtrag: Zufolge des Urteils des Königlichen Obergerichts zu
Lüneburg vom 11.November 1875 ist die Genehmigung der
Kirchenkommission unter dem 4. December 1885 erteilt. Das document
liegt bei den Akten. Nahrendorf, am 8. December 1885 gez. Bruno
Die Genehmigung der K. Regierung zu diesem Nachtrage ist
nachträglich erteilt am 16. April 1887. gez. Bode
KORN, Katherine Dorothea Marie Elisabeth (F)ev
* 01.03.1845 Groß Thondorf = Himbergen
~ ? .03. 1845 Himbergen
1. Kind SEIL, Maria Elisabeth (F) ev
Die unteren zwei Zeilen auf der confirmationsbescheinigung
lauten: Denkspruch für: Elisabeth Seil/ Tag der Confirmation: 3.
Dein Lehrer und Seelsorger: Fr. Schmidt, Pastor.
~ 10,03,1872 Nahrendorf
single dump from the baptismal register ev. luth. Church
Seil, August Friedrich William, unverehelichter shepherd to
Nüdlitz, geb. d. 30. May 1848 to Dahlenburg, parents: Shepherd
Johann Juergen Heinrich Seil to Dahlenburg and its wife Ilse Marie
born Brookmann, with Korn, Katharine Dorothea Marie Elizabeth,
unverehelichte service farm servant to Nuedlitz, geb. the 1. März
1845 excessively Thondorf, parents: Zinngießer (Tin caster)
Heinrich Ferdinand Korn of Groß Thondorf and its wife Sophie
Friederika geb Schmidt. Days of the quantity: 3 and 10 March 1872
to Nahrendorf, gearbox tenth March 1872.
Supplement: According to the judgement of the royal upper court
to Lüneburg from 11-November 1875 the permission of the church
commission under that is 4. December 1885 gives. The document is
situated with the documents. Nahrendorf, to 8. December 1885 gez.
Bruno Bode the permission of the K. Regierung for this enters
afterwards is subsequently given on 16 April 1887. gez. Bode
Korn, Katharine Dorothea Marie Elizabeth (F)ev
* 01,03,1845 largely Thondorf = Himbergen
~ ? 03. 1845 Himbergen 1st child Seil, Maria Elizabeth (f) ev *
1873 Dahlenburg ~1873 Dahlenburg the lower two lines on
confirmationsbescheinigung read: Maxim for: Elizabeth rope / day of
the Confirmation: 3. April 1887 / your teacher and Seelsorger: Fr.
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Note 2 :
Mrs Nowack had sent me a copy of Lizzies confirmation paper that she must have submitted to the church at St. Peters Lutheran Church also called Christ Lutheran Church. I had sent a copy of her babtism with a question about it as I wrote to the Dahlenburg church archives. After receiving information of her parents ties to a Schmidt, I kind of wondered if there was any relationship there with the pastor.
I felt somehow in the report on this family that there was like a repeat in what I had said. Notice that the church mentions only a little on Lizzie and little on the confirmation. it seemed as if the church parroted what I had told them. At that time, I hadn't seen the information that Himbergen Kries Uelzen contained. Also at the time I was writing Lizzies stories with my book buried in a box, I had also forgotten that she was born in 1872. Thank goodness for contact at ancestry from Marlies Vollmer with her information, so I could correct myself.
This information also helps us see when August would have left for America. It would not be at least until after his marriage. In several census he is listed as 1872, 1873, 1875. Naturalized 1880 at Will county illinois. I still have to find his passenger list.
If you understand this document after the marriage date mentioned, by all means please expand on it for me.