Rugia passenger list 7.mai.1883 From Hamburg to New York.

Be sure to check the four pages of this Ship / Schiffe Passenger list of the names of the passengers on the ship Rugia. It might surprise you who was on the ship.

There were others from the same area, as well as near by Uelzen.

Link to the first page here and by clicking the title.
This list is donated by Ines Manhardt a member of
Immigant ships Transcribers Guild done 17June2004.
The stars often mean that they name has umlauts.
Which is the case for most these Or some other meaning.
A G. Lange died on ship.

I have been bringing up these particular passengers
and attempting to show where they settled.

423* Jurgen Schroder  34  m Workman   Hanover     
424* Marie  Schroder  31  f wife      Hanover     
425* Heinr. Schroder   9  m child     Hanover     
426* Louise Schroder   4  f child     Hanover     
427  Anne   Strauss   40  f wife      Hanover     
428  Heinr. Seil      23  m Workman   Hanover     
429* Fritz  Schroder  47  m Workman   Hanover     
430* Marie  Schroder  36  f wife      Hanover     
431* Marie  Schroder  13  f child     Hanover     
432* Louise Schroder   9  f child     Hanover     
433* Fritz  Schroder   4  m child     Hanover     

I have talked about the surnames of Schroeder and Seil,
I will get to them again at a later time..

But first I would like to discuss
Passenger Konan below. 

434  Wilh.       Konan 24    m Shoemaker Hanover    

435  Anton       Dirschedt       41    m Shoemaker    Bavary  
436  Martin      Komischke       24    m Workman      Prussia     .
437  Joh.        v. Kroge        22    m Farmer       Hanover    .
438  Claus       v. Kroge        17    m Farmer       Hanover     


I posted  Sunday about the  Warnecke family living
in Clark township,
Faribault county Minnesota by 1900 Federal Census.
I had stated that
the Hamburg passenger listed two children in the same spot with
Johann and Mary Warnecke.  His middle name is Heinrich.
I guess the other child  Heinr. was there, I just did not
see Heinrich. age nine.
That Mystery  is solved
439  Johann  Warnecke   33 m Butcher Hanover U.St. E 2 intrans.
440  Marie   Warnecke   30 f wife  Hanover   U.St. E   intrans.
441  Heinr.  Warnecke   9  m child Hanover   U.St. E   intrans.
442  Emmi    Warnecke   7  f child Hannover  U.St. E   intrans.
443  Wilh.   Warnecke   2  m child Hannover  U.St. E   intrans.

Now were going to move along and look at the entry number
434 Wilhelm Konan age twenty four. On April tenth,2010,
I shared these names before, which I took from the
Hamburg Passenger list of ship Rugia. It lists this person
as Wilhelm Konau. I tend to believe the Hamburg list
is correct. I looked at the handwriting, and I agree that it
really should be Konau from Mucklingen.

I did find another passenger list in the year 1885 with
the name Wilhelm Konau at ancestry.com.
That Wilhelm Konau was from Pommoissel.
Wilh Konau Hamburg Passenger on date 19 Mrz 1885
[19 Mar 1885]
Estimated birth year: 1860 Age 25
Male or Mannlich
Residence: Pommoisel, Hannover
Occupation: Landmann
Ship Name: Moravia



Note: If you explore further at Ancestry.com into
the 1929 residence in Germany / Niedersachen.
Handbuch des Grundbesitzes im deutschen Reiche,
Band Hannover, 1929
There under the village Pommoissel entries is for the
man by name- H. Konau.
Others there were: Otto Bartels, Hch. Karstens,
Hch. Persiehl, Hch. Rosseburg,and Joh. Schlicht.
Looking Under Muecklingen, the name Konau is not present.
Nor is Schroeder or Warnecke or Seil.

I'll come back to this source another day.



On another post, I will get into a little more detail on this Konau / Konan who came to America in 1883.

just me arootdigger.

Hamburg Passenger list of Heinrich Seil 22 April 1883

I was browsing other blogs and saw the Ideas/ Categories floating around for better blogging. One of them was to use different Search engines for the same item to be searched. I never made it that far to use another Search engine.

I took a little browsing cruise trip from My Heritage Genealogy blog, [listed below] and went to blog finder that he mentions in one of his posts as you scroll down. [These are supplied by each with permission for their services. Mine are not entered so therefor not shown] I think that place is my new favorite site.
I was suddenly curious if there are any German Genea bloggers. So I went international and ended here.http://www.abenteuer-ahnenforschung.de/ I think that is as far as I went for the time being. I gave up the German GeneaBlogger idea. So Then I hopped up to Ancestry.de and proceeded with Meyer. One thing led to another and I was at the Hamburg Passenger list. One name led to another and I was with the name Seil on the Hamburg Passenger lists. [Ancestry searching takes a lot of patience any way and this grouping does take a lot more. I am hate to say it, but mine ran out too quickly at five in the morning. tee hee]




Now you know on the Hamburg Passenger lists that it is the date they leave Hamburg which you hope to find. It does not give you the date of Arrival. We have to look in a different passenger list for that. Or Castle Garden is just as good. Ancestry is designed to give you a lot of leeway. Where as another searching form for Passenger lists may differ and it helps to use both. In this case arrival to New York. 7.05.1883.

It was my intention to look into Elise Seil the subject of several Blogs this last week. It was no surprise to me that it was there. and I will still study her passenger list some more at a later time. [Elise Seil - 27 Mai 1892].

The reason we make such a big deal about these passenger lists is that it hopefully offers us the location of our ancestors. If we have something to go on, it really helps to know for sure that this is the right person. Elise (Lizzie) Seil says Gross Thondorf in the German language. So I look at all of these to find the location often stated right out front. And It helps to see what their destination is. Your lucky if it is specific.

But my eye caught on a Heinrich Seil born about 1860, who traveled- 22.April.1883 on ship Rugia.

A Heinrich SEIL born about 1859 and the AHRENS along with the SCHROEDERS have also been part of many blogging conversations dealing with the huge Subject of Farnhamville colony settlers, and Oldendorf und Nahrendorf colonists. According to Richard Kanning and Robert Stein Tree those Schroeders are listed from Duebbekold. And the fact that these passengers are from Mucklingen near enough to thrill me. You can happy dance for me if you like. I'll just be happy colorfully.


So here I am now with Heinrich Seil in 1883 age 23. From Mucklingen. If you google Mucklingen
You can click this link and find it is in Nahrendorf district
as you can see here the exact loction.

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I suppose your wondering how many others in a group are there from Mucklingen and who is going with him. And of course you can click the above Rugia passenger list to see. But I will tell you so you don't lose your place here.

The groupings:
On this ship Rugia with ca. = latin means = about birth years for the ages from Mucklingen.
Juergen Schroeder Geburt * 1849 age 34. Mucklingen ship Rugia
Maria Schroeder Geburt *1852 age 31 [Marie]
Heinrich Schroeder * 1874 age 9
Louise Schroeder * 1879 age 4 Muckl.

Annie Strauss Geburt * 1813 age 70 Muckl.
Heinr. Seil *1860 age 23
Fritz Schreoder *1836age 47 Mucklingen
Marie Schroeder * 1841 36 Mucklingen
Marie Schroeder * 1870 age 13 Jahrs. Mucklingen
Louise Schroeder * 1874 age 9 Muecklingen
Fritz Warnecke ca. *1879 age 4 Mucklingen
Wilhelm Konau ca *1859 age 24 Mucklingen.

Four more names and then.

Names with 'about' birth years for Dahlenburg passengers on Rugia
Johann Warnecke ca *1850 age 33 Dahlenburg ship rugia
Marie Warnecke ca *1853 age 30
Emmy Warnecke ca 1876 *age 7
Wilh. Warnecke ca *1881 age 2
Fransiska Hamman ca*1865 age 18 from Altona


I admit I have seen this group before and you probably have too. It is nice though to have it recorded here for review and we can see it when ever we want.

Comments: I should get the whole list recorded or saved.
That name Annie Strauss really threw me. She is probably somebodies parent. Or not.
I have an interest in the name Warnecke. I should share why another day.

Comments: There is Henry Seil of this age Of best fit in next census of 1900 and in Iowa 1885, 1895. The other Henry Seil of 1900 census are born Kentucky, New york, Louisiana, etc. Our Henry Seil who is in the Nahnsen/ Meyer tree resided at Reading Township, Calhoun county Iowa. He married Mary Ahrens from Bleckede.


Your thinking -- so what's the point, I could have found this almost as easy at ancestry.com.
It's true, but I like how easy it is to put in the locations. I may use this German version a few times. I was surprised that it easily accepts your login in name. If your familiar with the format at ancestry, language isn't that much of a problem. I wonder if you could have two windows - one the English version and the second the German version - open at the same time?

Pssst.
You can see it here transcribed.
http://www.immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/rugia18830507_01.html

A Rootdigger Gets More Church Records In Answer To Her Questions

When I received the church documents of Juergen Friedrich Meyer, a landowner at Oldendorf and park ranger at Roethen, I naturally had questions about all the godparents listed. I mean those are the names that give clues, so I can read between the lines. So I asked questions and received the answers below. Nothing that really pertains to me. Yet???

First - This was the most important question to ask. Who was the  Meyer god parent of our Juergen Heinrich Friedrich Meyer geb.1851.  The brief explanation did not help much to supply meaning to any reading between the lines.

Juergen Friedrich Meyer, schulze of Oldendorf
oo- md 18. april.1834 with Margaretha Dorothea (Bausch) Schroeder widow of Juergen Heinrich Schroeder of Oldendorf.
Juergen Friedrich Meyer's parents were Hauswirth Johann Heinrich Meyer of Sueschendorf and his wife Marg. Dor. Seil.


Second- There sure were a lot of residents at Sueschendorf! I guess I was partly confused about the noun "Schulze" which is an occupation as well as a name. In this case, I guess it is another word for Mayor. Another conotation for the word Schulze is that there was a time, when a person married a widow woman with land. At his marriage his last name changed to the womans last name. I thought this might have been the case. But it was not.


Second, Sometimes villages are formed by a person called Schulze. He is given this power by some noble person. It would be some kind of reward. I had wondered, if that was the case. I have found a few Meyer at Oldendorf. And like those, I do not know if they connect to mine.


Thirdly - I had asked who this Wilhelmine Meyer could be? So I was given two answers which I have partially translated.

1.  Meyer record nr.31 /1849 Sammatz

Meyer, Wilhelmine Katherine Elisabeth.
Vater: Johann Heinrich Meyer Hsw. in Sammatz.
Mutter: Katharine Dorothea geb. Burmseter geb. 6.juli.1849
Gev:
Taeger, Dorothea Elisabeth, Hauslers wife from  Nahrendorf
Konau, Katherine Margarethe dienstmaged in Sammatz.

2.

Nr.5/1877 [Marriage record]Trauregister
Johann Jurgen Friedrich Lussmann, Taegelohner bisher unverheirat. zu Oldendorf mit Meyer, Wilhelmine Katherine zu Oldendorf getr. am. 5.Nov.1877.... Die burgerlich Eheschliessung hat am 5.Nov.1877. [von der Stamdisbeamten zu Nahrendorf stattgfunden.]

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