Wednesday, November 24, 2010
Lived in Lewisville, Watonwan county, Minnesota- USA
Amanda and Elmer Kuhlman
Her Mother was Adell Grote and father William Naefke from St Peters church area in Calhoun county, Iowa.
For a time the William Naefke family lived in Lewisville area.
Tuesday, November 23, 2010
Thanks giving is soon to be here. Just a quick comment before I duck. What were those pioneers thinking. Surely they would have preferred to have the thanksgiving sooner. Before all the snow and ice and frozen ground. I could be much more thankful when it's good weather and warmer. And not putting anyone to any danger in travel. What were they thinking.?
I hope Holiday preparations are going well for you. Maybe you will still find time to read. If not find your way back, I have a few surprises for you
Monday, November 22, 2010
Yes I have a little french Heritage. I had been told over the kitchen sink one day as a preteen that both sides of the family had some, but it seems dad was dragging in his recovery of the information . Mom acknowledged it immediately. I have to admit it became a huge part glamorized by myself. If you were referenced to any kind of Joan with french heritage, wouldn't you?
Nothing more was said then of where. It didn't matter. From that day On, I loved anything french.
As I was reviewing the work of one of my Californian PETERS relatives; I decided to pursue a bit more. I had noticed at rootsweb- world connect another Peters tree who were claiming Reim and area that Joan of arc had in her history. I let it go until I looked again last winter into LODES / JASPER tree briefly. It was then that I found the area to be called La garde Meurthe et Mosell department of Lorraine. i watched the little green leaves turn and turn at Ancestry. The Royer family went a good deal further back with many connections. I would like to know more why they immigrated, how they managed the revolution and the wars. There were so many in that region. I believe them to be Methodist and some did marry Roman Catholic. so maybe a history too of the religion would be good to know, since I am sure it played a part in history.
I am fascinated, and well there is so much geography and history to learn and of course pass along.
Today I was caught up in Marie Antoinette fantasy and her parents HAD Lorraine heritage??? [ I will look, just YOU wait and see] I stumbled upon this little tidbit and website to pass along to you today. And I know it is only a drop in the bucket. but it pertains to Germany as well as France. In the time span of 1871 to 1819 - IN parts of this area of department of Lorraine territory belonged to Germany. The villages had two names, that were known in French and the German version. You can find an index of the differences here. Notice there are several pages.http://www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page18.html
Here is the index.
According to that we find the town name of Lagarde to be Gerden. Thus the home of my French/ German ancestor Matilda ROYER daughter of Jean Francois ROYER and mother Barbe Agathe GRANDMANGE [31 Jan 1796 at Meurthe et Mosell Department of Lorraine France - 1 Sep 1852. Death place was French Village, St.Clair Illinois.] who married Louis Barcum in Island Grove Jasper , Illinois. [Barcom also has a french version of the name found in Canada.]
More Genealogy tidbits to come.
1871 - 1918
During this period, most of Moselle belonged to the German Empire. The Birth-Marriage-Death records were first written in French and eventually in German. They can be found in the Town Halls and also in the "Archives Départementales de la Moselle" at Saint Julien lès Metz.
In the early days of the country side before the revolution there are good research on the people in the location. It's found in a few books. Because there were many Jews in this area there is a good accounting of them and habitants. They had to pay Barncas tax, a safety taxes and that helps account. It's amazing to read that they were not allowed to live in some towns like Nancy. More on all that another time.
Friday, November 19, 2010
Schoop, Ahrens, Schenk, Michels, Rieckens, Bergmann - WE ARE PROGRESSING WITH OUR EIGHT + FARNHAMVILLE COLONISTS-
+ Ahrens, [ Schenk, Michel, Rieckens, Riechen(s) ]
In the last post before last I wrote about an article I found on-line which mentioned Ventschau of the area Tosterglope. then I clarified our Bergmann connection. So Today, I should follow through with more on Those of the Schenk/ Ahrens ad Michel families from there.
Eventually, rather than send you off to some page, which I will need a password for, I will simply give the information as a chart.
In the mean time please enjoy the work of Gloria Hoerschelmann. She actually visited in Germany and spoke to remaining family. She has designated trees
Petesch, Schultz, Schoop, Schroeder trees at ancestry.com. Others have same and more. However, some of hers contain more of Ahrens, Michels or Schroeder than others. Now she has combined the works of Our Mark Kuhlman who graciously provided so much information for us in pages further back, and my information I put in about Mae Meyer a descendant of J.H. Friedrich Meyer. But that does not reflect in the attachments you would find at ancestry with at her tree attachments, which I share here. That work was so superbly done by Verl Matthews [side photo] with absolutely great work continued with Matthews tree and the Nahnsen family tree.
As I do this big undertaking of giving you information, I will give you the source - of the genealogists who did the research and my information that I have added on.
So now go ahead and browse starting with the first part SCHOOP family coming from Seedorf, which she says is a third district of Dahlenburg.
Second Part of Schoop family history.
Even though it is a place by Dahlenburg, you may see the family attending the Nahrendorf church shown above. Remember Nahrendorf church inclueded many small villages of the area and is connected with the Dahlenburg church. From time to time, there will be mention of Nuedlitz where in fact my Seil and Korn worked. Nieperfitz, and Muecklingen where several families besides Henry Seil and his sister were from.
As I have said many times, we cannot forget the GROTE connections in those areas tying into this family! Trust me they are there. Obviously, if we see the SCHROEDER we know SAUCKE, WOLTERS, BUSCH, DAETZ. If there is AHRENS and GROTE, then we have NAEFKE.
Voila! The early colonists to Farnhamville.!!!
Oh what a bunch of tangled threads in a web it seems to be. But I will help further as I point out some details, but maybe it should wait until the next time. A chart of some kind is coming soon.
Oh what a wonderful life!
For further info contact me. IF YOU KNOW MORE, PLEASE SHARE WITH ME!
I have given you links, but there are so much more info in both blogs which you can find three ways Archives and older or search box and google web search.
I am sorry the attachment info does not translate under the standard method of translation.
just me jo arootdigger
Source: -Unknown who owns Tosterglope - Ventschau sign.But thanks.Perhaps at Ventschau.de
-Ancestry.com helped me get to GloriaHoerschelmannPetesch .
Thursday, November 18, 2010
Did you see Maria Elisabeth Bergmann born 28.Dec.1795?. She ties to Schoop, Schroeder, Rickens, Schenk, Michels, Meyer, Indirectly to Luhmann from Meyer and on and on in the Wendland area and usa. probably in a circle when all is said and done!
I did have a BERGMAN mentioned in one of my church records in regards to my Schultz Meyer family at Neetzendorf. I do so wish I knew more about that family..
Wow. Huh? I can't count all the times I see the villages Boitze, Ahndorf or Fladen, all areas of Dahlenburg mentioned. Did she mention Neetzendorf the home of our Schultze and Meyer. Some people were employed in Boitze, and others lived there, etc. There has to be connections to Nahrendorf, Nüdlitz, Oldendorf, Ahndorf, Buendorf, Boitze und Barscamp, Other villages of Tosterglope. Some areas of Bleckede going to Neetze and up into the Luneburg church district.
In fact to stretch the wow factor, I know our area extends to Mecklenburg,down and over to [alt] Garge, Schutschur, Neuhaus, and further to Hitzacker area, and Danneberg.
I am so glad I have dealt with colonists rather than just one or two families and their branches. I would never have known the extent of the blood lines. And much more to know. How amazing life is!
Note of Sources:
The tree attachment is from Gloria Hoerschelmann/Petesch at ancestry.com. She works on her genealogy mostly during the summer. The leaves began turning as I started to examine Ahrens and my Michels. Michaels. - aka Millman. You can contact her at ancestry or give me a comment and I will get to her.
As they say, you only have to begin.
QUESTIONS, JUST ASK.!
Hann. 74 Bleckede W Reg. II Loc. 5 G
1. SCHENK, Heinrich Christian Wilhelm, Bleckede
5. SCHENK, Catharine Sophie Margarethe, geb. Schröder;
SCHENK, Sophie Friederike Dorothee;
SCHENK, Jürgen August Wilhelm;
SCHENK, Johann Heinrich Wilhelm;
SCHENK, Marie Dorothee;
SCHENK, Marie Dorothee Margarethe (alle 5 Kinder unter
14 Jahre alt)
8. Sept. 1866
Hann. 72 Bleckede
1. SCHENK, Heinrich, Bleckede
8. vor Sept. 1867
10. ob mit oder ohne Familie ausgewandert, geht aus der
Akte nicht hervor; war 30. 03. 1859 als Vormund
für die minderjährigen Kinder des verstorbenen
Burgdorf, Albrecht Joachim Wilhelm in Kleinburg
More to come.
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
Hier kann man sich gut erholen -Sweet little School project website in Luneburg - Genealogy - Ventschau.
I hope you have been having a delightful day.
I have been having a delightful day so far. I found this cute, school project, sweet, informative website while browsing for a surname RADEL. [ The name that actually shows up was Frau Kappe-Radel] I enjoyed it so I thought, I would share it today. The web site doesn't pertain to our relatives really, but he does mention that he lives in the village of Ventscahu, the village in Tosterglope location Bleckede [ by Dahlenburg] does deserve genealogy interest. It has been especially in my thoughts these days as I review data of Seil, Schroeder, Michels, Millman, AHRENS [ from Mucklingen] and Juergen Heinrich Christoph SCHENK [18.Jan.1828 ; [Brother, Johann Hch ChristianSchenk geb. 29.Aug.1832- both died Iowa USA];Another brother Johann Juergen Heinrich 5.Mzi.1838. Maria Elisabeth Bergmann [oo - Hans Hch Wilhelm Schenk ] of Boitze daughter of Hans Juergen BERGMANN. SCHENK had married BERGMAN
[ Dahlenburg ] in Boitze and the parents resided VENTSCHAU. There are numerous other surnames of our Luhman, Meyer ancestors in Ventschau. Etc.
Now for the LANZIUS at Johanneum Lüneburg. You definitely can google it and therefore have the opportunity to use the translator as I did. When you translate, often times what happens is that the villages and names are translated to English. In this case Ventschau translates to mean Nation. I think for some reason, that's pretty neat.
The young lad who wrote the material and lives there is only thirteen years old. He and his family love pets like birds, pheasants, rabbits, etc. He mentions school and his teacher. Translation says up until now, he has had good teachers???? [ lol. [ A little tidbit of information is the name Bergman at his school. Some thing to check on. ]
His family came from Luneburg, which explains the name Lanzius, which I don't think blends in with names of the olden days of this area. He lived in Ventschau. I noticed up at the top of the page it says - Johanneum Lüneburg the area students, home page or student body, AG site. I suppose for their privacy, there is no email provided. Some other students have had their contact withheld.
I am going to follow through and take a glimpse at other articles by other students with surnames of Fable, Heitsch in hopes of anything on locations and same as my ancestors. Its kind of fun to see school assignments carried through. It is interesting to note that such a classroom project can be anywhere.
He says " Please visit the site once of Nations ". Hier kann man sich gut erholen. Here you can relax.
I might write to the student body or the boy. Lets see what should I say, besides the fact that I enjoyed reading.Maybe some day he will be a future blogger.
Go ahead and continue on to an even greater day.
just me jo , arootdigger
Further reading for more information on the school project or the school:
and map location of the school Johanneum Lüneburg [inLuneburg.]
Notice: Ventschau - has recorded their own song which translates to something about horses.
Note: Ventschau is in lower saxony. Do not confuse with Ventschow which is Mecklenburg Vor Pommern. [Nordwest Mecklenburg district]
Friday, November 12, 2010
I read at Dear Myrtle genealogy blog about free acess to U.S.Military records so I hurried on over there. www.ancestry.com/military.
I had viewed a military record before of The Ritterling person, so I gave it another try. Luck was with me because I found again the write up of Mrs M. Ritterling. Record says continued from page 42 onto page 43. It says Wyoming state. It was the very one I had wanted to see again because it had been on my mind. I believe I had found the cemetery on line before which mentioned an unknown grave, but still I was able to learn whose it was. It will need further search such as local history books in area she actually lived.
I hope you can read it. It says she died from suicide 8.july. 1884 . It makes one wonder why?
Okay, I thought Mrs M might be Mary, but this one shows up below the one above.
Name: Margaretha Ritterling
Death Date: 8.july.1884
Relation: Unkown Relationship to Veterean, Unknown
Cemetery: Ft. Mc Pherson National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 12004 S Spur 56a Maxwell, NE 69151-1031
Buried: Section B Ste 610
Second entry at data of Ancestry.com = same exact record.
Interment Date 8 July 1884.
To meet the burial needs of the soldiers stationed at the post, a cemetery was established early in its history. The old post burial ground was later moved to southwest of the post and some 50 remains were moved to this location.
[You may need to think of the battle of Custard to recall some land mark areas. ]
*I had to read the information at the Cemetery of Fort McPherson, [Nebraska] to learn that Margarethea was actually buried at Fort Robinson first and moved along with others. The record show above says she was a Siel or Seil. The immigration information gives further information on the family Ritterling. Nothing concrete.
Establishment of the 20-acre Fort McPherson National Cemetery in 1873 afforded the space to relocate remains from the cemeteries abandoned when the number of settlers decreased. Burial records testify that life on the frontier was full of hardships and dangers similar to battlefield camps during times of war.
The cemetery lodge was built in 1876 and rehabilitated in 1951 and 2000. About one mile southeast of the cemetery a monument marks the site of the flagstaff of the old military post. Another monument marks the route used by the Pony Express over the Oregon Trail, which passes through the cemetery............................
...........................Other: Fort McPherson National Cemetery is the final resting place for 63 Buffalo Soldiers of the 9th and 10th Cavalry. The soldiers were all buried at Fort Robinson, Nebraska, and were relocated to Fort McPherson National Cemetery in 1947 when Fort Robinson was deactivated...................................
......................An impressive white marble monument marks the group burial of 28 enlisted soldiers who were killed in an encounter with the Sioux on August 19, 1854 near Fort Laramie, Wyoming Territory. The incident, commonly known as the Grattan Massacre after Lt. John L. Grattan who led the soldiers, is generally considered by historians to be the opening salvo in a 36 year period of intermittent hostilities between the U.S. and the Sioux Nation, ending with the massacre at Wounded Knee, South Dakota in 1890. Lt. Grattan is interred at Fort Leavenworth National Cemetery in Kansas.
[Not all soldiers and people buried from Fort Robinson ended up at Ft. McPherson.]
This database is a compilation of burial records from a variety of sources and cemeteries. These records provide information on the burials of U.S. veterans and their dependents who were buried in the various Veterans Affairs (VA) National Cemeteries, state veterans cemeteries, or other military cemeteries. Because the information regarding the burials is compiled from multiple sources, the amount of information provided for each burial will vary. Some of the information you may find in this database includes: name of deceased, birth date, death date, interment date, burial location/site, cemetery name, cemetery address, relationship to veteran, veteran service dates, military rank, and military branch.
Burial Registers for Military Posts, Camps, Stations 1768 - 1921.2 [National Archives Microfilm Publications m2014 1 roll] Records of the Office of the Quarter master General Record Group92, Archives Washington D.C.
Custer and Crazy Horse account: http://books.google.com/books?id=QM_R7y5tAoIC&pg=PA34&dq=%22Ft.+Robinson%22++Nebraska&hl=en&ei=p1LdTJMg0O2dB9X8gMwP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22Ft.%20Robinson%22%20%20Nebraska&f=false
Note: Henry Seil geb 1859-60, had a sister who emigrated along with him. He lost contact and later discovered she had married Ritterling and lived by Fort Laramie, Wyoming. Information was given by Pauline Seil and Carolyn her daughter. Nothing proven yet by myself.
Note: Buffalo soldiers were 'Black soldiers' who were in the ninth calvary and tenth after the civil war stationed at Ft/ Robinson 1885 - 1898 and 1907. Eighteen received highest honor with Medal Of Honor. Duty.... Honor.... Country
Thursday, November 4, 2010
So I will force myself to stay away so I can do what I must to make the thirtieth Birthday a special one.
-Make the cake or order one.
-Wash more dishes.
-Be Missing in action
I could say the little family of Gustav and Elizabeth JAESCHKE had no Grandmother living in Amerika by them. At least not by the time the children were grown. Elizabeth did have her
estranged father. Her blind Grandmother from the Brookman Seil side had lived with her father in Iowa. Though a mature young man Gustav, had neither mother or father to turn to for his parental needs. As I was posting tombstones this morning, it dawned on me how it must have been for our settlers as they raised their children and went through their lives without their parents.
There was not the grandma around who told family stories about their parent when they were young. Not the mother whom one reminisced with about love ones back home. Not that same mother who might occasionally volunteer to take over with the children, so they can have some spare minutes to themselves.
As often said their involvement was almost like A divorce or dead to each other across the ocean. Maybe a letter now and then. But the war took away so much contact that they dearly would have wanted.
I guess I was thinking strongly of Elizabeth SEIL, who came to Iowa to live by her father,just missing her grandmother living with him. Maybe her fathers new wife Anna fulfilled the role as Grandmother to Elisabeth and Gustav's many children. Maybe she became close to Elisabeth and fulfilled a mother or friend role.
I suppose he had his many friends, young and older who waved in and out of his daily life in his vast life as a husband, father, musician and farmland owner.
His family was not not dead to him.
I am not sure what happened to his family letters that he must have received from his remaining family by Danzig. Thankfully Berniece Jaeschke and Gary SORENSEN TOLD ME that contact remained with Anna and Max MUHL especially after the war when they were sent care packages.. In fact I have heard that he went back to visit family and so did his daughter Louise.
Who fulfilled the grandmother role? Who told them family stories. Who did the baking rolls or cookies. Making special visits. What else does a grandmother do? I suspect August and Anna SEIL ( nee VOGEL ) fulfilled both roles.
Three over from left is Anna Vogel Seil. In Back row short man with hat peeking between the two women is August Seil.
I never had much for a grandmothers involvement in my life. Annie had died Young amd my moms mother lived in california. So that is why I say, 'what does a grandmother do'?
I think maybe most of the time, the children, just did without. They like so many others in the times as pioneers in America, they just adjusted to it as it was Just the way it is. and that was that. And moved on in life. They all understood how it was in their community and helped each other.
Pauline NAHNSEN SEIL born 19.May.1912 to Broder and Mary NAHNSEN ( nee MEYER )
Pauline's spouse was Carl J. SEIL, son of Heinrich [ HENRY] SEIL and Mary AHRENS.
Broder was son of Claus NAHNSEN. Claus was son of another Broder NAHNSEN and Agatha CHRISTANSEN.
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
which I found to illustrates my point.
German has all 26 letters used in the EnglishIt's not an exact quote. The old Gothic letters they used don't show up here. I am not sure why.
alphabet, plus a few additional letters: umlauted
vowels—ä, ö, and ü—and an Eszett, ß. Specific
information about these additional letters is given
There is often no distinction made between the
capital I and the capital J). They may be
represented by the same letter whether printed or
handwritten and may be also indexed as the same
letter. When followed by a vowel the letter is a
consonant, J and when followed by a consonant, it
is a vowel, I.
The words for the examples they used were: and the word die Idee= the idea; die Insel= the Island; der junge= boy; and Juli = July
I hope you will visit this link for further reading , it's fantastic.
Awhile ago I was searching through a german website postings on something arranged alphabetical. You know when you visit these sites it takes twice as long because you have to get the small translations from an exterior website just to manage through their sites. Unless your basically familiar with the commonly used german terms for online sites.
Well any way a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h and I had maybe started with " k" or and was skipping and then I was at 'J' and going backward. I kept getting 'H'. Ohhhhhff where is "I" .What am I doing wrong, [sigh] lets see.... I'll try it again. And then came to the Duh moment. Oh yeah, " I" is the same as 'J'. It was not in the alphabet all alone. Especially, when your transcribing the old church records, I should have known that.
It is up to you to decide if it is a' J' or an 'I' in what you are translating. Such as is it Isabel or Jesebel? [Or is it Isable, Or Jeseble?]
Sure that was a special site, and you will often find lists under 'I' as well as 'J' in most cases. I just had a little reminder, that's all, which I thought I'd share today.
When you wake up, maybe you'll like to read my next post about an encounter at another German site.