Meyer Ahrens Family Tree History - Mini Series -Second Marriage

I am all Tickled Tingly Pink.
Welcome back for a new day and a new Post.  Today I am happy to share more of the Mini series of the Meyer and  Ahrens family tree history. I always get tickled pink when I get new lists of Gevattern  or god parents for  my individuals and this time the names ring familiar.    Are you  ready to get all pink and tingly?   So here goes. 

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Juergen Friedrich Meyer made a second marriage to  Catharina Dorothea Ahrens.

AHRENS, Catharina Dorothea  (F) ev.
* 31.03.1827  = Nahrendorf Muecklingen
~ 02.04.1827 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-Luth Kirchen gemeinde Nahrendorf.  Nr. 12/1827.
Ahrens, Catharina Dorothea geborene in Muecklingen  am 31 Marz mittags 11 1/2 Uhr. getauft den. 21 ten april.
Eltern:  Johann Heinrich Ahrens, Hauswirth in Mucklingen and Catharina Dorothea Elisabeth geb. SEIL.

Gevattern: 
1. ) Anna Catharina AHRENS - altentheilerinn, des Kindes Grossmutter.
2. ) Magdalena Dorothea STECKELBERG -  verwitwete Hauslerinn zu Nahrendorf.
3. ) Catharina Margarethea STECKELBERG - Kuhirten Frau zu Breese.

+ 16.03.1890 Oldendorf =  Nahrendorf.
+  [] 19.03.1890 Nahrendorf.
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev,-Luth Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf Nr. 1/1890.
Meyer, Katharine Dorothea geborene AHRENS witwe in Oldendorf. 62 Jahre 11 Monat 13 Tag.

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That's all of the church record about her for the time being. I  want to post her children soon. 

However your not off Scott free yet. There are  still small details  to be discussed.  I  wonder if you noticed the small changes in her name. They usually have that  first name of three names  that they don't really use. But we were only given two.   Sometimes she was Katharine and other times labeled Catharine and Catharina and the 'C' and  'K '  letter changed from time to time. I tried to give exactly what I saw in the  church record.
You may have noticed in the marriage document of the trauregister she was  formally Katharine Dorothea Ahrens and so her mother was Katharine Dorothea Elisabeth  too. Later when it mentioned her baptism and her death she was Catharina just as her mother was Catharina. In regards to the mother they always included her third in the line of  names -  Elisabeth. 

It's interesting too that Catharina  is in the names of the  Godmothers  or Godmutter.  Notice the intermix of the name Magdalena and Margaretha.

I never miss a chance to point out [ wink] this connection to the Rosseburg tree as I give you page 1 link.  and the all important marriage - 
5. *20.3.1828 Johann Jürgen Heinrich MICHELS,

-oo md. 11.10.1857 Margareta Dorothea AHRENS, aus Mücklingen* 

If I am trapping  you here, I might as well make it good, so here's the other  important link.  Eventually I'll help you with that. Up at the left side of the page 72 from Heinrich Borstelmann's book about the hofs of Mucklingen you will see HalbHof 5.  Down on the line of the year 1815 we find the Eh. zw. which is the marriage of her parents.  [I suppose it goes with out saying all the references to Seil in Breese that we can do without now.] Without church proof we see more of their family history. Something I can't get into right now.

Nope, no more.  Your free to move on. Please come back and I will tickle you again. In one of the posts I will relay to you some of the children's godparents / Gevattern  whom are  usually family. As always feel free to ask questions, give comments that we can use here. 



Sources:   The church document from Nahrendorf church archives via Herr Bock. More of it is still coming.

 Only I arootdigger has these documents and there fore no other should have it but family. If you want to copy for your own purpose as a family member ask me. No other should have this on the internet.

Meyer and Ahrens Family Tree History Mini series -

I guess this part of the church records has something to do with Juergen Friedrich Meyer [ geb 1814]  the wedding and wedding banns at the Nahrendorf Church in regards to his future wife Katharine Dorothea Ahrens.  It explains that his first wife died 30.April.1856. Still More on Katharine Dorothea Ahrens  family tree history to come.


MEYER, Jürgen Friedrich,  a Parkwarden at Rothen.
2. OO - Eh.
02.10.1857  Nahrendorf.
Auszug aus dem Trauregister des eve. Luth. Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf Nr. 7/1857.
Meyer, Jürgen Friedrich,   wittwer,    Parkwärter  zu Röthen geb. den 29.Nov.1814 zu Neetzendorf.
Eltern or Parents :  Schäfer Johann Jürgen Meyer  und dessen Ehefrau Marie Elisabeth geborene Behrens.
mit
AHRENS, Katharine Dorothea, unverehelicht Mücklingen geb den 31.Marz.1827 zu Mücklingen. 
Eltern or Parents :  Hauswirth  Johann Heinrich AHRENS und  dessen Ehefrau  Katharine Dorothea Elisabeth geborene SEIL.  Angeblicher Künftiger wohnort : Parkwärter wohnung zu Röthen  Aufgeboten zu Nahrendorf den 20 und 27 Sept.1857, getr. den zweiten Oct.1857 zu Nahrendorf Bemerkungen. Die frühere Ehefrau des Brautigams Katharine Margarethe geborene Luhmann.   ist am 30.april.1856 Gestorben.

If it helps at all here is a Google translation: .
Second OO - Eh. [Second marriage for my Juergen  Friedrich Meyer.
02.10.1857 Nahrendorf.
Extract from the marriage register of the eve.-Luth. Parish Nahrendorf   Nr. 7 / 1857th
Meyer, Jürgen Friedrich, wittwer, parking attendants to the Röthen born 29.Nov.1814 to Neetzendorf.
Parents or Parents: Johann  Jürgen Meyer, a sheep herder,  and his wife Marie Elisabeth nee Behrens. with
AHRENS, Katharine Dorothea unmarried, 31, born Mücklingen Marz.1827 to Mücklingen..
Parents: Hauswirth Johann Heinrich Ahrens and his wife Katharine Dorothea Elisabeth nee Seil.  Alleged Future residence: Park warden apartment to Röthen On Nahrendorf offered to the 20 and 27 Sept.1857, sep. Oct.1857 to the second wife of the former remarks Nahrendorf bridegroom Katharine Margarethe born Luhmann. Died on 30.April.1856..


Note :
- Kunftiger Wohnort = future place of resident.
-Aufgeboten zu Nahrendorf =   Banned [Banns] in Nahrendorf.
-Getraut [married] the second Oct.1857, remarks:  the former wife of the groom Katharine Margarethe nee Luhmann is deceased the 30st April 1856.

Hohenfier, Is located at both Himbergen Uelzen and Flatow

I thought I should do a little post about Hohenfier in Uelzen. Just in case some people are looking for a name or two.



I found the surnames and numbers in the book kindly written by Heinrich Porth.



But first I should address the name of the village Hohenfier location. If you punch in the name at rootsweb world connect search you may receive surprising results; if you were actually expecting it to be about the area of Uelzen.

There is another area with the village name of Hohenfier. Just as one finds the name of the village Husby. One finds it in South Trondelag and Sweden and North Germany as well. The other village Hohenfier , Flatow, Grenzmark, Prussia.
So be sure you know which you are really needing to look to find.



The Himbergen area of Uelzen is located up near the Elbe river which flows north. This area. Is often called Lower Germany. The people often speak Low German Or Low Dutch, or Plattedutsch. It is on the west side of the river over still a great deal. Hohenfier is close in kilometers to Roethen. You will find many websites about the forestery of Hohenfier. In my research of those who resided there often had the occupation of forester.



If you like you can look over some of my links about this area.

http://de.local.yahoo.com/Landkreis_Uelzen/Hohenfier/Banken_%2526_Sparkassen/de100000030-s-20166952.html

And the other area at Flatow.



http://pommern1.com/oldaolsite/family.htm
http://www.progenealogists.com/germany/prussia/pru-h.htmhttp://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/WPRU/wprus-kreis.gif
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POLAND-ROOTS/20



On to the surnames and the families I am interested in at Hohenfier, Himbergen, Uelzen.

TEDGER/THEDER/& WICHTENDAHL/ SCHULZ

STRUCK/ SCHLADEMAN/KAISER/SCHULZ

GORMANN/SCHULZ

KRONSHAGEN/GERSTENKORN

SCHEN[C]K/ KRONSHAGEN

SAUCK/ RITZ

ROSE/TIEDEMANN/DREIER

SCHROEDER

LAEDWIG/SCHENK/KLAUCK& SCHROEDER

SCHMIDT/

KEMPE/LUHR

JAHNN OR YAHNN/SCHULZ

GROTE

FRATSCHER

WINTERHOFF

LUDEMANN

FIEDLER/GRIMM/BERGMANN

BUELTEMEYER

KRAKKE

BURMESTER [WEBER]

GADE

BEHN - BENECKE

BUNKE/PRANGE/STUTE

BUNTHKE

BAHLKE- BUHLKE

ANGEBECK

HOELTY





I may have left off a few because I hit the area of Haassel and Hagen, while I was looking at the Burmester name and went off on that Tangent in my notebook.



Note: With my own research in mind, and other peoples trees I take note of: Grote, Burmester [Tosterglope], Behn, Sauck, Tegder [Tiemmeitz] Fratscher [was born Nahrendorf ],Bergman[ In Neetzendorf a owner of a home that might have been once a Behrens/ Meyer home, LUHR [Harmstorf], Scope [Wendekath][ Breese, Koestorf, Walmsburg, Tosterglope, Hitzacker]




Note: I did note a difference in spelling from time to time . Hohenfier was Hohenfuer.

Dorothea Luman of Nebraska from zu Eichdorf

Given to me by ms. Merten

The sister of my Catharina Margaretha Luhmann.


Do you love getting church records. I do. It's like getting a gold mine. A reap of information worth their weight in gold.
My Catharina Margaretha Luhmann married Juergen Friedrich Meyer geb.* 1814. + died 1879.
I have the church records of her with her mother and father included. Only one child - Catharina Margaretha was listed. I received this information from the Nahrendorf church through an email. From Herr Bock's research.

It is interesting.
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LUMANN, Johann Juergen (M) eve
* 02.09.1785 Eichdorf = Nahrendorf
~ 04.09.1785 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
seite 101/1785
Johann Juergen Lumann, geb.d. 2ten Sept.,
get. d. 4ten Sept,
Vater: Juergen Heinrich Lumann, angehender Hauswirth in Eichdorf,
Mutter: Catharine Elisabeth Gehrken,
Gevattern:
1.) Johann Juergen Seil, Hauswirth in Oldendorf,
2.) Juergen Ludewig Seil, Brennknecht in Bleckede,
3.) Franz Juergen Gehrke, Hauswirthssohn in Duebbekold.
+ 06.03.1843 Eichdorf = Nahrendorf
+- 09.03.1843 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der
ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Nr. 9/ 1843 - Eichdorf-
Luhmann, Johann Juergen, Hauswirth,
Ehemann von Anne Maria geb Reinecke, und
ehel. Sohn des weil. Juergen Heinrich Luhmann, Hauswirths in Eichdorf. Gest, d.6. Maerz. Nachm. 1 Uhr. Oeffentl. beerdigt d.9. ejusd., Alt 57 J. 6 M. 4 T. Engbruestigkeit u. Blutsturz.
Beruf : Hauswirt in Eichdorf.

1. Ehe :
~~11.11.1809 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Trauregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Nr. 10/1809
Luhmann, Johann Juergen, weil.
Juergen Heinrich Luhmann, Hauswirths zu Eichdorf ehel.
Sohn, mit Reinecke, Anna Maria, weil.
Johann Christoph Reinecke, Hauswirths in Nahrendorf ehel.
Tochter, Copulirt am 11.Nov. 1809

REINECKE, Anna Maria (F) ev
* 08.10.1791 Nahrendorf
~ 11.10.1791 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Seite 114/1791
Anna Maria Reinecke, geb.d. 8ten Oct.,
get.d.11ten Oct.
Vater: Johann Christoph Reinecke, Hauswirth in Nahrendorf,
Mutter: Anna Dorothea Brese.
Gevattern:
1.) Catharina Maria Harwegen, Hauswirthin in Boetze,
2.) Anna Maria Steckelbergen, Hauswirthin in Walmsburg,
3.) Anna Dorothea Luers, Hauswirthin in Finndorf.
+ 02.12.1867 Eichdorf = Nahrendorf
+- 06.12.1867 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Nr. 35/1867 - Eichdorf-
Luhmann, Anna Maria, Wittwe des Hauswirths
Heinrich Christoph Luhmann in Eichdorf,
alt 76 Jahre 1 Monat 24 Tage.
Eltern: Hauswirth Johann Christoph Reinecke in Nahrendorf
und dessen Ehefrau Anna Dorothee geborene Breese,
gest.den zweiten December Abends neun Uhr
an Altersschwaeche, begr.den 6. December 1867.
(Vorname des verstorbenen Ehemannes richtig nicht Heinrich Christoph, sondern Johann Juergen.

1. Kind LUHMANN,Catharina Margaretha (F) ev.
* 26.01.1818 Eichdorf = Nahrendorf
~ 26.01.1818 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem taufregister der ev.-luth.
Kirchengemeinde Nahendorf
Seite 42/1818 -Eichdorf-
Luhmann, Catharina Margarethea, Den 26sten Januar,
Morgens 3 Uhr, getauft den 26sten Januar.
Eltern: Johann Juergen Luhmann,
Hauswirth zu Eichdorf, und Anna Maria geb Reinecke.
Gevattern:
1.) Catharinea Elisabaeth Bartels,
Hauslingsfrau zu Eichdorf,
2.) Margaretha Elisabeth Barthelt,
Dienstmagd zu Eichdorf.
+ 30.04.1856 Roethen = Nahrendorf
+- 03.05.1856 Nahrendorf
Auszug aus dem Beerdigungsregister der
ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Nahrendorf
Nr. /

GENprofi Familienforschung
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I think, I am missing the burial record number at the end. It will take me some time to find the original copy to see, if it was there, or just cut off. I do believe this record was emailed to me from the Nahrendorf church. Of course it was done by Herr Bock. He had not remembered my name as the one, who had requested the information before. So he had resent the records that I already had. It was too bad, cause I bet my records arrived a day or two later after he sent me the email of information. I had hoped to save him from having to look up something that he had already done a few years back.

It is interesting that the family name spelling starts out as Lumann. You know Mrs Schlaphof[f] also went by the spelling Luman. At least, that is how she is named at the cemetery. I did translate the church records. But, I have forgotten what I learned. So, I won't be able to use that translation for you right now. I will come back and do so. As soon as I get a chance.

Note: My other records Of the Luhmann family have already informed us of Johann Juergen Luhmann's parents. They were Juergen Heinrich Lumann and Catharina Elisabeth Gehrke. Johann Juergens godparents were his fathers sisters husbands. However, in older records the Seil family was mentioned as being from Lueben and Breese.

[ I haven't made any connections yet between those Seil and any other Seil name I have acquired. None of those in Iowa. Not Henry Seil, who married Marie Ahrens nor August William Seil, who married Annie Vogel.
Not Annie Seil, who married Herman Meyer.

The Gehrke son's marriage to Luhmann is the first time that I have seen the Gehrke name mentioned in my history of Luhman, or any of my Meyer ancestors. I think his father was Andreas Gehrke. [Previous post].
Note: We will see this information in the village of Duebbekold in Heinrich Borstelmans book.

It is interesting to me that Anna Maria's mother is a Brese from Nahrendorf. In the very early years there was a marriage to Luhmann by name Brese or Brase from Nahrendorf.

Notice the place of residence for Catharina Maria Harwegen is "Boetze". That is how it was spelled in the OFB Himbergen book written by Heinrich Porth and gunda Friesch. Bötze. We have been assuming it is suppose to be the same as Boitze, which is very close to Neetzendorf. As is Ahndorf, Finndorf or Findorf.

The god parents info has been a surprise. Ms. Harwegen is probably Harweg[e]. If I go back to Behrens - Meyer records, I will find a Harwege.

4. Kind: BEHRENS, Margaretha Magdalena (F] ev
* 16.05.1772 Neetzendorf = Boitze
~ 17.05 1772 Dahlenburg
Auszung aus dem Taufregister der ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Dahlenburg
Nr. 22 /1772
Margaretha Magdalena Behrens, Johann Juergen Behrens, Hauswirths in Neetzendorff, und Cathrina Dorothea Schultzen ehel. Tochter, is am 16ten May gebohren, getauft am 17ten.
Die Gevaattern sind:
1.) Margaretha Ilsabe Harweges,
2.) Anna Margareta Niebuhrs,
3.) Margaretha Magdalena Schultzen.

Probably a daughter of those.
Notice the Luers. In Behrens records a mention was of Luhrs.

And then we see this :

Eltern: Hauswirth Johann Christoph Reinecke in Nahrendorf
und dessen Ehefrau Anna Dorothee geborene Breese,
gest.den zweiten December Abends neun Uhr
an Altersschwaeche, begr.den 6. December 1867.
(Vorname des verstorbenen Ehemannes richtig nicht Heinrich Christoph, sondern Johann Juergen

It seems to switch husbands on me. I shall have to get a little help on that one from babelfish - Yahoo?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt

Parents: Hauswirth Johann Christoph Reinecke in Nahrendorf and its wife Anna Dorothee born Breese, gest. den second December of evening nine o'clock at age weakness, 6th December begr. den 1867. (First name of the deceased of husband correctly not Heinrich Christoph, but Johann Juergen).

It is amazing that church records could make a recording in the books of the wrong spouse to a woman!!! wow!

I might have to go through my Luhmann records transcribed from the church archives records by Herr Kregel; and see if it is recorded any different from this. I don't believe there are any errors at that spot.

I just love church records. I went through this one briefly to cover the little details. Soon, I would like to cover some of the same surnames. As a result of this church document, I am now thinking that the Johann Juergen Meyer family and the residence members of the Behrens family [hauswirths] at Neetzendorf had contact and connections with hauswirths at Eichdorf. After all Landowners sons had to marry other landowners daughters. If the ones are all taken at your village, wouldn't you have to look to other villages?

That's enough for the day.
Thanks for hanging in there.
just me,
JO

Genealogy Genealogie with more of Luhmann - Seil

This is another branch of the Luhmann tree. They share some of the same blood as the Meyer / Luhmann branch. Luhmann, Schlicht. Surnames of this branch off from Luhmann / Seil family. Winkelmann, Schulz, Martens, Soltau, Other.

I know this tree chart will begin to be a little confusing. I will try my best to help.

Remember the members of the Luhmann family. Generation two or three is about the time our Schultze /Behrens about 1700. After 1803 the Meyer come on the scene in Neetzendorf, Boitze /and Bleckede area with Meyer. Meyer joining the Luhmann family at year 1838. This little comparison was done by Herr Soltau whose wife had the connection. Not published anywhere that I know. I only received the direct line, nothing of other siblings. Before I could think to ask he was off to somewhere else.
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Luhmann family chart
III. Jürgen Luhmann ∞ Clara Margaretha Schultze or Schultz.
Children or Kinder:
Christian Friedrich,
Anthon Frantz [ shepherd at Bostelwiebeck],
Dorothea Maria,
Heinrich Jürgen,
Johann Peter [*1721-oo 9 juli 1751 lived in Breese],
Hans Jürgen 1722 - Bostelwiebeck,
Catharina Margaretha,
Valentin[Muller],

IV. Valentin Luhmann ∞ 2.10.1752 Catharine Sophia Müller
Also maybe with (∞ 1757 Agnese Jahnke ? – copy „Eichdorf, Halbhof 2“)

Kinder:
Jürgen Heinrich,
Anna Dorothea Sophia,
Anna Margaretha,
Catharina Elisabeth ( md landowner in Oldendorf nov 15, 1782-Frd. Wilhelm Ries],
Elisabeth Margarethe,
Maria Magdalena, Anna Margaretha,
Johann Friedrich Luhmann*

V. Kinder Jürgen Heinrich Luhmann ∞ 19.11.1784 Catharina Elisabeth Gehrke from Duebbekold.
Kinder: V1. Johann Jürgen oo Reinecke, Catharina Elisabeth [00 Johann Juergen Bartels Eichdorf, Margarethe Magdalena Luhmann[00 Juergen Christp. Hch Seil of Breese],

V1. Kinder of Gehrke and Luhmann, Catharina Maria Luhmann
∞ 11.11.1809
Jürgen Friedrich Seil /Luben

V11. Kinder:
Johann Friedrich Seil
oo - 12.04.1859 Bleckede
oo- Anne Katharine Dorothea Schulz

In this same generation Johann Jurgen Luhmann had married Reinecke and had his daughters who married at Schutshur to Pagel and Schulz. Another sister Cath Dor. Elisabeth born 1825 md Joh Juergen Bartels. Another md Schlaphof emg. to Nebraska. Son Christoph md. Anna Dor Elsb Meier at Ventschau. Catharina Margarethea md Jurgen Frd. Meyer with descendents went to Iowa.. [It is possible One of these Sisters or sister =in-laws md Mollemann went to Galena Illinois. Then md to Ahrens.]

kinder: of Johann Frd. Seil and Schulz
Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Seil
∞ 23.08.1901 in Bleckede
Marie Karoline Wilhelmine Berta Elise Martens

Kinder: Heinrich Friedrich Ernst Seil
oo - ∞ 20.12.1935 in Bleckede
Else Minna Dorothea Winkelmann
Kinder: probably living



note: www.bleckede.com/Firmen/Blumen_Seil/blumen-seil.html

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Note: Cath. Sophia Mueller of Kofahl who lived at Halbhof 2 at Eichdorf. Her father was Mich. Mueller of Kofahl.
They had child generation 1V - Johann Friedrich Luhmann * geb or born 14.07.1768 in Eichdorf. died 19.03.1851 in Bleckede at 83 years old. We think he married twice. His other wife may have been Anna Dorothea Grothe. Or she may have been with his son.
His descendant generation V. -Ernst Friedrich Luhmann *17.03.1811 oo went to Lohrville and Farnhamville church of Iowa.
Surnames of this tree.
Schlicht, Brockmann, Blank, Steinbock, Jacobs, Grothe, Meier, Tippe ?
More later on the two other Trees of Luhmann in this area of Bleckede.

Speculation: Since this tree of Luhmann was in the area of Bleckede..... Dahlenburg area, Is it possible that the Brockmann of the Schlicht family could be connected with the one Brookmann who married Seil of Dahlenburg? There were some involvement with a family Schlicht also from Barskamp. And also a Brockman in that tree. Hof 30 of Oldendorf.

Note: In the same generation that the two sisters married Seil men, there was a sister of that Luhmann family whom married Ries a landowner at Oldendorf. This was before Juergen Friedrich Meyer was born. I am sure the Ries family maybe had something to do with Our Meyer possession of land in Oldendorf. Behrens / Schultze family also married to Riess family and also had a Bartel connection. Behrens / Schultze family through marriage may have been in Eimstorf or Dahlem or Leestahl. [ Hch. Borstelman book]

There are better records of all this in earlier blogs.

**Note: Since the wife of this Friedrich Seil was a Schulz, it could not be the same Seil who went to Farnhamville whose descendent eventually married Pauline Nahnsen. Unless he had married more than once. And it is a Friedrich not a Franc.

[I might add that I have information about at least seven Seil families.]

I am fully prepared to clear up any Questions, if I can. Or at least direct one to other sources.